I don't who the young man, Russian Bear, is (except that he is a Russian-speaking Ukrainian), or who the interviewer is, but it seems like a farily sober view from on the ground
Israeli involvement in Ukraine
This is one of the oligarchs he mentions in the interview.
As Pro-European Protests Seize Ukraine, Jewish Oligarch Victor Pinchuk Is a Bridge to the West
The steel magnate—son-in-law of the former president and once a symbol of post-Soviet nepotism—now advocates for the rule of law
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December, 2013
One
breezy evening last September, Viktor Pinchuk, Ukraine’s
second-richest man, stepped onstage at the Livadia Palace in the
Black Sea resort of Yalta to introduce the star speaker of the annual
international conference he hosts to promote his country’s ties
with the West: former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Nearby, at
a table set for an exquisite five-course meal, sat her husband; they
were joined in the hall by Shimon Peres and Tony Blair, as well as a
number of former European heads of state, top diplomats, and business
tycoons. “Mr. President, you are really a super star,” Pinchuk
told Bill Clinton in a seemingly apologetic tone, “but Secretary
Clinton, she is a real, real mega star.”
Pinchuk,
a Jewish son of the Soviet system who became a steel and media
magnate and, more recently, fashioned himself into a billionaire
philanthropist, was in his element. At age 52, Pinchuk basks in his
newfound role as a global philanthropist and a leading Westernizer of
his country—and a man rich and powerful enough to crack jokes at
the expense of a former American president.
It’s
been a remarkable transformation. Just nine years ago, Pinchuk—the
son-in-law of Ukraine’s then-President Leonid Kuchma—was
denounced by many of his compatriots as a robber baron who used his
personal connections to snap up some of the most valuable assets in
Ukraine for a song during the post-Soviet privatization wave while
millions of his countrymen struggled to make ends meet. In the
fraud-ridden election that triggered Ukraine’s so-called Orange
Revolution in 2004, Pinchuk backed Kuchma’s handpicked
successor—Viktor Yanukovych, who eventually won the presidency in
2010 and whose recent decision to shelve a key treaty with the
European Union and instead embrace Russia triggered the
demonstrations that have seized Kiev in recent weeks.
As
in 2004, the appearance of flag-waving pro-democracy protesters
occupying the capital’s Independence Square divided Ukraine into
those whose hearts lie with the West and those whose hearts lie with
Moscow. A decade ago, Pinchuk found himself stung by the Orange
Revolution: The new Orange government, led by Viktor Yushchenko,
renationalized a steel mill Pinchuk had purchased from the state
during his father-in-law’s presidency and then promptly sold it to
a foreign investor at a much higher price. Pinchuk was forced to
fight to hold on to the rest of his assets.
But
Pinchuk held on. He has spent the years since the Orange Revolution
working to build a profile as a philanthropist. He recently pledged
half his fortune, estimated by Forbes at $3.8 billion, to charity and
has underwritten large-scale AIDS campaigns, opened up a free museum
of contemporary art in central Kiev, and teamed up with Steven
Spielberg to produce a documentary about the Holocaust in Ukraine. As
pro-European reforms have stalled, Pinchuk has emerged as his
country’s top advocate in the West, using his annual Yalta summits
to push for Ukraine’s closer integration with the European Union.
“When
the system collapsed, a certain number of people received access to
something, even though everybody wanted it,” Pinchuk told me when
we met last week. “As a result, a few rich people emerged and a
great many poor. The gap is crazy, and it’s all absolutely unfair.
And everybody understands that it is unfair. I, by the way, also
think that it’s unfair.”
Pinchuk
initially stayed silent as protesters barricaded themselves in the
capital this month, even though his television channels covered them
energetically. (His father-in-law Kuchma, one of the targets of the
2004 revolution, has joined two former Ukrainian presidents in
signing a letter of support for the demonstrations.) But in the last
few days, as the government moved to violently disperse the
encampments, Pinchuk finally broke his silence, showing up at the
protest camp himself and praising the demonstrators’ spirit. “The
most important is that Ukrainian civil society has shown its
strength,” he told the Financial Times this week. “Nothing is
more powerful. It gives me huge optimism for the future of our
country.”
It’s
an evolution that people who know Pinchuk say makes sense: The
experience of nearly losing his business empire after the Orange
Revolution made clear that the post-Soviet system he helped create,
in which fortunes could crumble with a change of political winds, was
flawed. “He would like to be in a situation where it doesn’t
matter to him who the next president of Ukraine is going to be,”
said Steven Pifer, who has known Pinchuk since serving as the U.S.
ambassador to Ukraine from 1998 to 2000. (Pifer now works at the
Brookings Institution in Washington, which receives funding from
Pinchuk.) “The advantage for him of Ukraine becoming a rule-of-law
society is that it doesn’t matter.”
***
Pinchuk
has close-cropped hair, shrewd brown eyes, and the confidence a
wealthy man. His headquarters, in a high-rise in the center of Kiev,
is decorated with contemporary art sculptures, part of his
multimillion dollar collection. Photos displayed prominently in his
office show Pinchuk in the company of Spielberg, Henry Kissinger, and
the Obamas. When I visited earlier this month, Pinchuk was
accompanied by three aides, armed with a set of recorders. “Are
three voice recorders enough?” he teased his staff when we sat
down.
Born
in Kiev in 1960, Viktor Mikhailovich Pinchuk was raised in the
industrial city of Dnipropetrovsk in eastern Ukraine, in a family of
Jewish intelligentsia. The classics of world literature filled the
shelves of the small two-room apartment, and trips to theaters and
museums were a staple of his childhood: He still remembers a visit to
the renowned Hermitage museum in St. Petersburg, where he stood in
awe for hours in front of Rembrandt’s The Return of the Prodigal
Son, until his mother whisked him away. Pinchuk’s parents, Mikhail
and Sofiya, were both engineers, who were constantly living from
paycheck to paycheck, borrowing money from friends and at one point
even having to sell a treasured 16-volume set of the collected works
of John Galsworthy.
Pinchuk’s
parents met on a boat sailing from Kiev to Dnipropetrovsk, where they
went to attend university—two young Jews forced to leave their
hometown for a less-prominent city because most good schools in the
capital were closed to them. Yet the Pinchuks were decidedly Soviet,
eating pork and, on the rare occasions they could afford it, black
caviar. They decorated a tree at New Year’s—the secular Soviet
replacement for Christmas. “When I was young, I felt myself a
Soviet man and was proud of it,” Pinchuk recalled.
But
Pinchuk’s grandparents spoke Yiddish at home, and his
great-grandmother, who was observant, demanded a separate set of
dishes for Passover—prompting Pinchuk to once buy her a camper’s
set. He was secretly fed matzo by his grandfather, who nevertheless
was a devoted Communist known to condemn Jews who immigrated to
Israel as unpatriotic to the Soviet Union. But as a child, Pinchuk
was taught little about Jewish traditions. Once, after coming to
understand that his great-grandmother was religious, he tried to
please her by crossing himself, as he had seen his Orthodox Christian
friends do. “She said ‘Vitya, what are you doing?’ ” Pinchuk
told me. “I didn’t understand what she was talking about.”
He
began to understand when, as a boy, he was stopped by a policeman who
whispered the word “kike” into his ear. In school, some of his
teachers like to count the number of Jews in their classes and made
Pinchuk stand up from his seat and answer humiliating questions in
front of the entire class, even though the answers were well known to
all. “Where does your mother work? Where does your father work?
What is your nationality?” Pinchuk recalled. “For some kids, it
was an execution of sorts that you had to spell it out. Some were
unable to endure it and said they were Ukrainians. The class laughed,
because everybody still knew everything. This was the Soviet system:
You had to be humiliated. Or, on the contrary, hold your head up
high.” Pinchuk did the latter.
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