This has resonance for me.
One of the ideological battles of the 20th century was between Marxism-Leninism and Trotskyism.
The Trotskyists of yesterday, it seems, have embraced neo-conservatism and the Wall Street agenda in their search for 'гermanent revolution'
Trotskyist-Type Revolutions Go On Without the World Even Knowing It
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November, 2014
Now,
almost a hundred years on the Soviet state is gone, but Trotskyist
policy has grown into a global threat that has never existed before.
"Trotsky"
might be the code word for understanding the nature of chaos
in the Middle East and beyond. The 1917 October revolution
in Russia shook the world spreading horror of "communist
atrocities" and "red terror". Now, almost a hundred
years on the Soviet state is gone, but Trotskyist policy
has grown into a global threat that has never existed before.
Says
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski,
Director of European Centre of Geopolitical Analysis:
I
think that most of the former American Trotskyists turned
to neoconservative ideas. Those are the people like Irving
Kristol and his song, people like Robert Kagan and all those
elites who are forming the agenda of the contemporary American
politics, regardless of which party is in power now. I
mean, we had the neoconservative agenda during the
administration of George W. Bush, of course. It was very
open at that time.
But
it is still continuing. We have people like Victoria Nuland, who
was actually very active when it comes to the Ukrainian crisis.
And she is the wife of Mr. Kagan who is one of the leaders
of the neoconservative movement. Which means that the idea that
lies behind the American policy, the American way of interfering
in the foreign affairs, in the affairs of other
countries is actually the same or it is quite similar.
Of
course, during the Bush administration we had some voices which
stated it more openly, which more openly claimed that they are going
to interfere with the so-called hard power, which means
military interference. And now we have more focus on the
so-called soft power, but anyway, the final goals of the
Obama administration and of the former Bush administration are
quite similar.
Do
you think we could remind our listeners of what the Trotsky
theory is all about? Is it something dealing with permanent
revolution?
Dr.
Mateusz Piskorski:
First, it is something dealing with the permanent revolution,
but, second, this is an idea which claims that there is one universal
political system, one universal civilization which should be spread
all over the world, regardless of the local traditions,
of local history of several nations. This is quite the way
the Americans do their international politics since many years.
I
mean, on the one hand, they are claiming that they are a unique
state which is the only one in the world. But, on the other
hand, they try to impose all their values and also their way
of thinking about the political system and the organization
of the public life onto the other countries, doing it,
of course, by force. And this is the ideological basis. Of
course, we cannot forget about the interests which lie
behind all those interventions in different places.
But,
anyway, from the ideological point of view, that claim that
the American system and the American system of values is the
only one which is of universal importance, is quite
characteristic of the Trotskyists’ way of thinking and
which is continued by the neoconservatives in the US. And
this is the most important, I would say, basis of the American
foreign policy ideology in the contemporary times.
I
suppose everyone knows that Russia has had some experience
with Trotsky’s theory and practices. And something we do
remember is that they are all associated with the outmost
cruelties, something that would now be described as crimes
against humanity. Do I get it right that this is also the case
right now?
Dr.
Mateusz Piskorski:
Yes, of course. According to the idea of Trotsky’s
permanent revolution the end justifies the means, all the means,
which means that all kinds of bloody terror revolutions might be
organized just to bring the final goal, which is the world
revolution – the change that would embrace all the countries of the
world. And secondly, of course, to control the power
in different countries, the Americans are also using another
idea of Trotsky – the idea of a permanent revolution.
This
means that during a revolution, if you bring to power one
political force, it should feel all the time the threat of being
overthrown by another political force, which is already prepared
and ready. And this makes it very obedient to those who are
organizing all the so-called fake revolution processes. In this
particular case it is the US.
Of
course, the instrumentalisation of the ideas of Trotsky,
including the idea of the terror of permanent revolution
embracing all the world, are used or, perhaps, some contemporary
Trotskyists would say that they are abused by the American
neoconservatives since several years.
So,
is there anything in common with something more known
as the controlled chaos theory? Any relations?
Dr.
Mateusz Piskorski:
Yes, of course, the modified Trotskism is behind all the
activities of the US authorities all over the world. And
the way of thinking which was presented by Trotsky in the
past is still alive in the minds of the American
political elites. And this is quite interesting, concerning that,
on the one hand, the US is still rejecting all the leftist ideas
of the 20th century, regarding them as communist or
dangerous left-wing revolutionary ideas, but on the other hand,
it uses very successfully the methods which were invested by Trotsky
and other Trotskyists. So, in this case, it is just using the
left-wing, perhaps, not ideology but methodology
of revolutionary activities to achieve its own goals.
It
is interesting that, I suppose, it is precisely what we are
witnessing in Ukraine right now.
Dr.
Mateusz Piskorski:
Yes, I think that the Americans, after having their successful
–let’s say – test of these methods during the
overthrow of President Victor Yanukovych earlier this year, are
thinking that any president of Ukraine in the future who
would dare not to obey the orders from Washington and who
would dare to build the bridges between Ukraine and Russia,
he will be threatened by another Maidan or EuroMainda.
Perhaps,
it will be called in another way, but there will be a new
Maidan with the new ideas voiced during it. But anyway, all
the Ukrainian politicians and leaders must feel that the fate
of President Yanukovych is an example for them to be
obedient to their masters who brought them to power when
Yanukovych fell.
And
that might explain why the US administration has been congratulating
the Kiev authorities with this election, though the Rada has
largely become ultra-nationalistic, not to say neo-Nazi.
Dr.
Mateusz Piskorski:
Yes, the US are legitimizing the only political force now, which
could be capable of organizing another Maidan, as we have
seen in the last months, several times during the different
protests which were organized by the ultra-nationalist camp. We
could notice that this is the only power which is still able to bring
the people out in the streets in Kiev, to organize a
brutal and aggressive protests and actions. Like the one near the
Parliament, when they were throwing people into the trash bins
and so on.
So,
the Americans realize perfectly well that this is the only force
which could mobilize the people and which could possibly organize
another so-called revolution, for instance, if President
Poroshenko would try to be more compromising with his
Russian partners. So, he must feel the threat all the time. The
threat that if he will not be obedient, he might have problems
similar to those of President Yanukovych.
And
I think that President Poroshenko is actually aware of that, and
that is why he tries to appease all those ultra-nationalist
forces. He tries to symbolically support several ideas, like the
idea of building a new historical identity of Ukraine.
Here, he is fulfilling the wishes of the ultra-nationalists,
by glorifying the Nazi collaborators from the times of the
WW II.
So,
as long as Poroshenko understands this, he will have the
support of the US. If he would try to somehow, let’s say,
sincerely negotiate with Russia and try to get a compromise
with Russia, he might have real troubles with his former
supporters from the US.
Mr.
Trotsky used to say that real revolutionaries are located in the
Wall Street. Which might imply that he is pointing to the
financial companies and financial system. Now, we see that the EU
financial system of governance is drawing a lot of criticism
from inside the EU and Hungary is the latest example. So, do you
think that the situation we have witnessed in Ukraine might be
somehow extrapolated to the EU and the old world at large?
Dr.
Mateusz Piskorski:
Well, when it comes to the EU, it is another discussion
about the extent of sovereignty of the EU as the
subject of the international law, and the extent of the
American influence on the EU. If you look at Hungary, their
real problems started when Prime Minister Viktor Orbán tried to,
let’s say, build bridges and the possibilities of cooperation
with those global superpowers which are not very friendly to the
US – Russia, in the first place, but then also China.
So,
he tried to play a role of a country which has a pragmatic
foreign policy and which tries to cooperate with different
centers of power in this world. And the consequence was
that, first, there was a campaign within the EU against Viktor
Orbán and his party. And this campaign was organized mostly by the
pro-American forces and pro-American political leaders in the
EU. And second, we had the sanctions, the black list of those
people who are not allowed to enter the US published officially
by the Department of State just a few weeks ago.
So,
this is a kind of pressure exerted on a small country which
still tries to have partly independent and sovereign foreign
policy. And of course, the Hungarians are a good example
of that. If the Hungarians would succeed in the
diversification of their foreign and economic relations, that
would be an example for other European countries, perhaps,
including also Ukraine. I mean, for the Ukrainians who are still
talking about their European dream, as they call it,
Hungary might be a good example, that within these existing
European financial structures the so-called troika which decides
on the economical transformation of the EU countries, that
even inside the EU it is not that ideally and every country
should try to build and create different options for their
external policy not depending on only one center of power.
But
could the financial institutions start to react in a more
decisive manner, shall we put it that way?
Dr.
Mateusz Piskorski:
When it comes to Hungary, we have to remember the situation
of the year 2012, when after introducing some political
reforms the Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and his cabinet were refused
the financial support and the credits from different banks which
are representing the EU. Like the European Bank of Development
and Reconstruction. So, this is the kind of financial influence
exerted on those countries which are not obedient.
So,
jut to round up our interview, do I get it right that
Trotsky’s kind of revolutions are still going on in the
world, with the world not much aware of that?
Dr.
Mateusz Piskorski:
Yes, Trotsky’s kind of revolutions are organized now in the
name of the corporate interests, which of course is a
paradox, that the ideas and the methods proposed by one of the
far-left thinkers are actually used to strengthen the control
and strengthen the grip of the international capital which is
politically represented by the US in the contemporary
world. So, this is a paradox from the ideological point of view,
but this is how the things are now.
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