Agree
or Disagree
What
Will 2014 Be Remembered for?
Marina
Dzhashi
19
December, 2014
Agree
or Disagree reviews the year with Mark Sleboda, an international
affairs analyst based in Moscow, and provides a look at the relations
between Russia and the West, why they have worsened over the crisis
in Ukraine and what it might take to normalize them.
2014
will also go down in history as the year of increased
police brutality in the States. Agree or Disagree takes a look
at the protests against police brutality and racial
profiling that engulfed the whole country from coast to coast.
Where are the roots of the problem and will there be any change
following the public outcry? Tune in to find out.
The
year started off on high for Russia. In February 2014
Russia hosted the Winter Olympic Games. It was a big thing for the
country and for the world.
Mark
Sleboda:
It most certainly was. Time had a little video out today
with President Putin as the runner up for their person
of the year, and they were forced to admit that Russia,
despite all the initial harping from the Western media, did
indeed put off a fabulous show display for the world and
turned Sochi into the first class resort.
Almost
at the same time there was a conflict brewing in Ukraine
and we all know what it developed into. How we got to where we
are now?
Mark
Sleboda:
I think many people, you could say the more conspiratorially minded
amongst us, have remarked that it is probably not a coincidence.
We saw the events in 2008 during the Olympics when the
world was distracted by Georgia, where the now deposed regime
of Mikheil Saakashvili, supported by the US, tried
to militarily reassert control over the regions of South
Ossetia and Abkhazia. In 2014 we have another Olympics and Russia is
distracted.
What
we saw was that the EU presented an association agreement to Ukraine.
It boiled down to being a very harsh, austerity laden neoliberal
shock therapy dictate. The Ukrainian President was forced to turn
this down, because he didn’t get the monetary aid to support
these reform measures, he turned to a better deal presented
by Russia. The EU simply couldn’t take “no” for an
answer.
And
at this particular situation there are no winners or losers.
Mark
Sleboda:
No, there are a few winners. Certainly the US wins. The US’s goal
in this is purely geopolitical – it wants to prevent the
reorganization of the post-Soviet space with the Eurasian
Union. As long as Ukraine is denied to Russia by being
fully absorbed into the West or being turned into a failed
state, the US wins either way. Likewise, I think China benefits.
Yes,
this is what a lot of European analysts are saying now. Look
at the deals that were signed between Russia and China.
Mark
Sleboda:
I don’t want to say anything that would belittle the tragedy
that is occurring in Ukraine, but in the long term I think
this situation is to the benefit of Russia. I think Russia
needs long-term partners that it can do both business and cooperate
with on the world stage, countries that are simply want to do
business, the countries that are looking forward to a multipolar
world. I think that Russia for a long time has needed to pivot
not only economically, but politically towards China and
these other countries that are emerging as the new poles
of power in the world.
Having
such influence China may actually then turn into a state that
will start dictating its rules.
Mark
Sleboda:
We hear a lot of such voices from the Western analysts and
commentators. That is to be expected, because they still are,
by some measures, at the top of the hill and they
certainly don’t want to be dragged down even as equals
with anyone else. And I don’t think the West is going to fall
extremely hard and very fast, I think the US is still going to be
first among equals, but will no longer be able to dictate
to the rest of the world and they will have to sit
down and negotiate.
Do
you think that there might be a rivalry between the US and
Russia over China, because Obama said that he would like to
pivot to Asia too?
Mark
Sleboda:
I think it is important to look at the differences
between the pivots. And I think it speaks volumes about the
natures and foreign policies of the two countries. The US’s
pivot to Asia is entirely military in nature, focused
on erecting a strong of bases and forming a military
alliance to contain the rise of China, as if they
could. Russia’s pivot to Asia is the one purely of business
and of cooperation across the scientific, military,
political, cultural spheres. Russia welcomes the rise of China
in many ways and Russia's pivot to Asia is a very positive
development for both countries.
The
standoff between Russia and the West has been going on for
a long time now and there’s got to be a way out. What could be
such a thing that would get things moving in the right
direction?
Mark
Sleboda:
Ukraine is merely the latest flashpoint, the culmination of tensions.
And the events in Ukraine are going to have to be
settled before we can speak of any wider rapprochement
between Russia and the West. And I don’t look to any
rapprochement of Russia from the West. I think the era
of rapprochement that started in the 1990s is over and
I welcome it. I think that Russia and the West need a divorce, I
think they need a few decades apart, at least. I think they do
have certain irreconcilable cultural differences. They still can
continue to do business in a nice and civilized fashion,
but Russia as much as possible, and I think the EU
actually wants to do the same, needs to pivot their
economies, their cultures, their politics away from each other.
Another
highlight of the year which will carry over to the next
year, for sure, is the protest that engulfed the whole country –
from coast to coast almost. Many say that what is happening
in the States highlights the police brutality and racial
profiling. But what is it really?
Mark
Sleboda:
This is not the first such killing, this is not the last such
killing, there have been protests about other such killings now
Brooklyn, New York. We've seen race riots in the US for decades.
And on the one hand, it is definitely America’s long struggle
with institutional racism and with inequality. I think the
focus is not just on the racism element, but on the growing
police state and the resort to military force in the US
society. And this is a direct result of the war on terror
and the militarization of the police force.
There
is growing inequality – social, in terms of wealth,
in terms of social mobility. Recently the researchers
at the University of California have identified that social
mobility has regressed in the US to the level of medieval
Europe. The 2008 crisis was just the symptom, the American dream is
dead. And some American comedians have reflected on the reason
that we call it “the American dream”, it is because you had to be
asleep to ever believe it.
And
the third factor that we need to look at is the police
themselves, who feel that the communities they are policing are the
enemy. And part of the reason is simply that America is an armed
society. This idea of security by mutually assured societal
destruction where everyone can “defend themselves” has led many
within the police and security circles to feel that they
need to be increasingly over-armed to that much greater
extent.
What
is the way out? What is going to be happening next year and will
something change?
Mark
Sleboda:
Ideally, the way out of this situation would be for the
local communities to organize politically to take back
their political system, to take back their police forces. But
this isn’t going to happen for the simple reason that the
American political system is thoroughly corrupt. So, unfortunately we
are running into a brick wall of money which the US Supreme
Court has declared to be the free speech somehow.
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