LISTEN
as OPCW Chief Allegedly Admits Skripal Poison Could Be Made Anywhere!
22
April, 2018
If
the audio is authenticated, the phone call will put another dent in
London's claim that the A234 chemical agent known in Western
countries as Novichok, was Russian-mad.
Vladimir
'Vovan' Kuznetsov and Alexei 'Lexus' Stolyarov, the pair of Russian
telephone pranksters well-known for their
constant trolling of Western officials, have put out an
audio recording of what they say is their conversation
with Ahmet Uzumcu, the director general of the Organization
for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).
Posing
as Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, the pranksters got
the man in the tape to admit that the nerve agent used
to poison Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia
could have been made anywhere, and to point out that the
British government never gave the OPCW the mandate to trace the
source of the chemical.
Here
is a partial transcript of their conversation:
Alleged
Ahmet Uzumcu: As
far as the OPCW involvement is concerned Mr. Prime Minister, we
were asked by the United Kingdom to provide technical
assistance, to take samples and to analyze them in our
designated laboratories, which are very reliable. The work was done
and it is now concluded. The results in fact confirm as far
as the identity of the chemical which was used. We were
able to confirm the results achieved by the British
authorities. We don't call it with the same name, but the
nature of the chemical is in fact identical, as far
as the chemistry is concerned. So the formula is the same and so
on. They call it Novichok; we cannot call it Novichok because
Novichok is a terminology used by Western countries. It's not
universally used…It's like calling water and H20.
But
our laboratories and experts of course were not mandated
to trace the source, the origin of this chemical to any
country. The British have of course taken their own position,
because they may have additional information which we do not have. In
any case, our mandate was limited to identifying the chemical,
which is done now…
Pranksters
posing as Morawiecki: I
understand and I know. You know I don't specialize in chemistry,
and I have only basic knowledge, so please excuse me if I ask you
to explain to me some basic simple things. First of all,
Salisbury: based on the report we defined the chemical
composition and now understand that those who prepared the substance
had a high level lab, correct?
Alleged
Ahmet Uzumcu: Our
laboratories found that the toxic chemical which was used was of a
high purity. That means according to our experts that it could
not be done by say a terrorist or organized crime or
individuals, but rather should have been done by real
experts who had experience in this field. This could only be
done in full-fledged facilities or laboratories. It could not be
done [just] anywhere.
Pranksters
posing as Morawiecki: But
you are not sure that it could be produced by a state?
Alleged
Ahmet Uzumcu: We
cannot be sure. Our experts cannot verify this, but they think
that it was done by real experts.
Pranksters
posing as Morawiecki: Ok.
So it's not possible that it was produced by a private actor?
Alleged
Ahmet Uzumcu: Oh
no. I think we can exclude this, yes. I don't think it can be done.
Pranksters
posing as Morawiecki: Ok,
so if it is a state, I hope you understand that it could be only
Russia. If not, do you have any ideas which other states could have
developed this substance? In theory such labs are in Russia, but
[also] in Great Britain, the USA, Ukraine and even in Poland
as well.
Alleged
Ahmet Uzumcu: Mr.
Prime Minister, according to our experts, it can be produced
in any state. This cannot be excluded. However, also, the
Russians claim that there were some research activities on such
substances elsewhere, which may be true. But the states which may
have conducted such activities would have done it for protective,
defensive purposes [aimed at determining] how to detect it,
how to defend or develop some antidotes against the use
of such substances and so on. But these activities are allowed
by the [Chemical Weapons] Convention. They can be conducted, and
they don't need to be declared.
However,
if such research activities are conducted for the production
of such substances, and for their use in fact to harm
people in warfare and so on, of course they need to be
declared, and so far we didn't receive such as declaration
from any member country of the OPCW.
Pranksters
posing as Morawiecki:So
it could be produced in any country?
Alleged
Ahmet Uzumcu: In
theory yes!
Pranksters
posing as Morawiecki: In
theory yes…So even in the US?
Alleged
Ahmet Uzumcu: Oh
absolutely! In any country where there would be some chemistry
expertise. Because the material which is used, as I'm told
by our experts, is accessible. So that's the problem we face
with this toxic chemical. The material to produce it is
available without any restrictions. However, a high degree
of expertise is required, and also a good laboratory is
required.
Listen
to the full audio of Vovan and Lexus' conversation with the
man believed to be Ahmet Uzumcu here:
As a reminder, here is a delightful interview by H.A. Goodman of the pair of Russian pranksters that have had Adam Schiff and Nikki Haley as their targets, amongst others
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