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Q&A: The FBI's role in 'manufacturing' terrorism
Q&A: The FBI's role in 'manufacturing' terrorism
An
interview with Trevor Aaronson, author of The Terror Factory
2
May, 2013
In
his new book, The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War
on Terrorism, investigative journalist Trevor Aaronson analyzes 10
years of terrorism cases that were prosecuted in the United States
after Sept. 11.
By
assembling a database of the cases and going through court records,
he concluded that the FBI, which receives $3 billion per year for
counterterrorism, is "the organization responsible for more
terrorist plots over the last decade than any other."
Rather
than stopping actual terrorist attacks, like the Boston bombing, the
FBI focuses significant resources on using informants and sting
operations to entrap would-be Islamic terrorists who "never
could have obtained the capability to carry out their planned violent
acts were it not for the FBI's assistance," he writes in his
book.
Aaronson,
the co-director of the Florida Center for Investigative Reporting,
spoke to CBC News by phone from Florida.
CBC
News: After assembling your database of terrorism cases in the United
States, what did your analysis turn up?
Trevor
Aaronson: What the database looked at was a little more than 500
defendants who'd been prosecuted on international terrorism charges
in the decade after 9/11. Of the 500 cases, you could expel about
half of them as being not specifically related to terrorism. These
were cases where someone was charged with immigration violations, or
lying to the FBI and that the federal government alleged that they
had some sort of connection to terrorism, however tangential that
might have been. But none of those cases involved people who were
specifically engaged in a plot of any kind.
And
then, of the 250 or so that are left, you can really only point to
five or so cases that involved someone who posed a significant
threat, that was dangerous on their own, like Faisal Shahzad, for
example, who delivered a car bomb to Times Square in 2010 that,
fortunately, didn't go off. Or Najibullah Zazi, who came close to
attacking the New York subway system, or the shoe bomber and the
underwear bomber. But really, roughly those five cases are the ones
of the 500 that you can point to and say, "those were dangerous
guys."
By
contrast, there were about 150 defendants who were caught in
terrorism sting operations.
In
these sting operations the FBI provided everything that these men
needed. They provided the weapons, the transportation and in some
cases even the idea itself. These 150 defendants were people that the
FBI alleged could one day, possibly, be terrorists. And these sting
operations were meant to pre-empt them from becoming terrorists.
I
argue in my book, in all of these cases, the evidence suggests that
these men became terrorists only because the FBI provided them with
the capability. These were incompetent men who were only capable of
the most minor crimes.
CBC
News: Tell me more about the portrait of these 150 men caught up in
the terrorist stings.
The
people that are caught in these terrorism sting operations are
Muslims who are living on the fringes of those communities. In many
cases they are mentally ill. In other cases that are economically
desperate, they're poor and the informant offers them inducements,
such as money, assets. For example, an informant in a case outside
New York City offered one man $250,000 and to buy him a barbershop if
he moved forward in a plot. In other cases you have people who are
really just losers in life, don't have many friends.
The
informant has an incentive to find people who can be targeted in
these sting operations, because they can make thousands of dollars in
these operations. At the same time, then they are targeting people
who are easily manipulated and easily brought in to these sting
operations.
But
in these cases, it's the informant and the FBI that are providing the
means, providing the weapons. Left to their own devices these men are
unlikely to have ever been able to acquire these weapons.
CBC
News: As we learn more about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the alleged
Boston bombers, who apparently was not caught up in an FBI sting, but
known to the FBI, it sounds like he could have fit in with composite
of the characters in your book. What's your thinking on that?
Aaronson
says that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, unlike most the men prosecuted on
terrorism charges after getting ensnared in FBI sting operations,
allegedly showed that he could put together a bomb. (Julia
Malakie/The Lowell Sun/Associated Press)
That's
right. But the difference between Tamerlan Tsarnaev and the men
caught in sting operations is the men caught in sting operations
often are these loudmouths who never have the ability to go and make
the bomb themselves, or are really more talk than action. So these
FBI sting operations are able to easily draw out these people who are
on the fringes of these communities saying kind of loudly, "I
want to get involved in terrorism."
Instead,
the Tamerlan Tsarnaevs and the Faisal Shahzads, Nidal Hassans,
they're going undetected by the FBI because they're not stupid enough
to go out and start talking to people about these kinds of things.
That's the primary difference.
Another
difference: Tamerlan Tsarnaev allegedly was able to show that he
could put together a bomb. The cases that the FBI ultimately
prosecuted for terrorism show that the defendants in these cases
aren't even capable of that.
CBC
News: The FBI would say they have excellent stats on convictions,
even a high rate of guilty pleas, and one FBI source — J. Stephen
Tidwell, the FBI's executive assistant director — said to you,
"What do you do? Wait for these guys to figure it out
themselves?" So what's wrong with the FBI using informants and
sting operations, given that?
Let
me back up. I'm not against the use of informants, the use of
surveillance, when it's justified. I think we should be looking at
people as possible threats. If there's reason to believe that they're
going to be involved in terrorism, then we should assign informants
and we should figure out what they're doing.
I
think where the FBI crosses the line is when it empowers, through
these sting operations, people who the evidence shows and the
intelligence shows aren't able to commit the acts of terrorism now
and most likely even into the future.
Mohamed
Osman Mohamud, a Somali-American was found guilty in January of
attempting to bomb a Portland, Ore. Christmas tree-lighting in 2010.
Aaronson says the FBI thought he would be susceptible to their
advances and set up what turned out to be a sting operation.
(Mauthnomah County Sheriff's Office/Associated Press)
Publicly,
the FBI says they're using these sting operations to keep the public
safe. But if you look at the evidence in a lot of these cases, it's
clear that there's real pressure to make cases.
There
was a case in Portland, Ore., involving a man who plotted in a sting
operation to bomb a Christmas tree lighting ceremony. In his trial,
some FBI emails came out where they talk about how because he smoked
pot and because he was kind of a distant guy and a loser that he's
really going to be susceptible to their advances.
For
them to go to him and offer him the opportunity to commit his crime,
that really contradicts the FBI's public statements on these cases,
which are to say, "We only target people who we believe are a
threat." Instead, that email suggests, here are some
counterterrorism agents and they are looking to make some cases.
That's a human thing that we can all understand, too.
If
you are a counterterrorism agent at the FBI, you are reviewed based
on the number of cases that you bring, the number of terrorists that
you bring. That's certainly what we saw in Boston. In January 2011,
they investigated Tamerlan Tsarnaev and they said, "No problem,
we don't see any reason to be concerned."
Rezwan
Ferdaus of Ashland, Mass., was arrested in 2011 in an FBI sting
operation that involved sending a remote-controlled model plane
packed with explosives into the dome of the U.S. Capitol Building.
(Courtesy WBZ-TV Boston/Associated Press)
At
the same time, that same month, they launched a sting operation
against Rezwan Ferdaus, who had this fantastical idea of flying a
remote-controlled airplane loaded with grenades into the U.S. Capitol
Building. The trouble was, not only was that idea just ridiculous, he
didn't have any money. And so the FBI gave him money to buy the
airplane, they gave him the fake C4, everything he needed to move
along in his plot and then they charged him with attempting to
destroy a federal building and providing material support to
terrorists.
What
this shows, in a very small way, in the Boston area, how they let go
someone who really was a threat in order to pursue a case against
someone they could easily move along in a terrorism sting operation
and result in a prosecution that they could bring to the public and
say, "Hey, look at us, this is us keeping you safe."
[Ferdaus
was arrested on Sept, 28, 2011. He pleaded guilty and received a
17-year prison sentence.]

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