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Sorry about the wonky formatting! The reports are in reverse chronological order, with the most recent first.
Did
Ukraine Attack Its Own Tanks? White House "Can't Confirm Russian
Convoy Was Destroyed By Kiev"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/did-ukraine-attack-its-own-tanks-white-house-cant-confirm-russian-convoy-was-destroy
Perhaps
for the simplest reason that there is no evidence to help with the
confirmation process?
Which is rather unpleasant, because as explained above, without confirmation of a destroyed convoy, the whole story falls apart as merely yet another unprecedented warmongering fabrication, one involving not only the Kiev regime, but NATO and the UK press as well!
What is worse, is that if indeed the specter arises that Ukraine is lying about an event that nearly gave the market a heart attack on the belief that a new international war involving Russia may be about to break out, was Ukraine also lying about flight MH-17. And else may the Kiev regime been lying about?
While today's trading session was marked by news which at first blush correlated with what may be the 2014 equivalent of the Archduke Ferdinand shooting, in retrospect the newsflow made painfully little sense. Let's recap:
Which is rather unpleasant, because as explained above, without confirmation of a destroyed convoy, the whole story falls apart as merely yet another unprecedented warmongering fabrication, one involving not only the Kiev regime, but NATO and the UK press as well!
What is worse, is that if indeed the specter arises that Ukraine is lying about an event that nearly gave the market a heart attack on the belief that a new international war involving Russia may be about to break out, was Ukraine also lying about flight MH-17. And else may the Kiev regime been lying about?
While today's trading session was marked by news which at first blush correlated with what may be the 2014 equivalent of the Archduke Ferdinand shooting, in retrospect the newsflow made painfully little sense. Let's recap:
- Yesterday afternoon, two UK reporters working for the Guardian and Telegraph, supposedly located by the border in east Ukraine, reported that they were "eyewitnesses" as a convoy of military trucks crossed the Russian border into the breakaway Donetsk republic, aka Ukraine. While there have been photos of the military truck that have accompanied the Russian humantiarian convoy on Russian territory, there has so far been no proof, aside from said eyewitness reports, confirming Russian military vehicles entered or were in Ukraine.
- This morning Ukraine military’s spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, shocked the world when newswire reported that Ukraine forces had attacked an armed convoy from Russia, and "destroyed" a part of it. This was subsequently reiterated by the president of Ukraine himself who said that "the given information was trustworthy and confirmed because the majority of that machines had been eliminated by the Ukrainian artillery at night", and by the secretary-general of NATO, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who said that the alliance had detected an “incursion” of vehicles from Russia last night, adding that “what we have seen last night is the continuation of what we have seen for some time." Alas, as in the case above, just more verbal reports, with zero actual evidence.
- Shortly thereafter, Russia responded when the Russian defense ministry said that there was no Russian military column that crossed into Eastern Ukraine, and that the above reports are based on "some fantasies."
This
is where the breakdown of logic occurs, because for Russia to make
such a formal statement it clearly implies that Russia
believes there
is no evidence of destruction of a Russian convoy in Ukraine
territory, something which obviously would exist if indeed as
Ukraine's president had claimed, the "majority
of the machines had been eliminated."
If
true, it also implies that either Ukraine had fabricated the entire
story, and certainly the part about the destruction of the convoy and
by extension that Russians had ever entered into East Ukraine.
Furthermore, that would also suggest that the reports of the British
reporters were also a fabrication.
Unless,
of course, there is evidence,
in which case the credibility of the both the Guardian and Telegraph
reporters can be preserved, Ukraine can not be accused of fabricating
a story to suit what some may say its own warmongering ambitions, and
the onus is on Russia to explain why it lied about there being no
invasion.
More
to the point, the onus is on Ukraine to present some evidence, in
fact any evidence, of a destroyed Russian military convoy instead of
merely building upon a story conceived by the two UK media outlets,
because if Ukraine indeed has no evidence, then its story falls apart
and what's worse, the credibility and reputation of its government,
of NATO and certainly of the UK press would be in tatters.
So
what other possibility is there? Well, one that is all too
unpalatable for Ukraine, namely that in its excitement to blow
something up, it may have well destroyed some of its own military
vehicles. A possible lead to such a turn of events comes from this
Interfax report citing the leadership of the breakaway
Donetsk People's Republic.
The leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic has dismissed the Ukrainian government's statement on destroying a convoy of what appeared to be Russian armored vehicles in eastern Ukraine.
"We haven't received any armored vehicles from Russia. No Russian units, including Russian armored vehicles, have crossed the border. Hence, no Russian armored vehicles could have been destroyed," DPR First Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin told Interfax on Friday evening.
Purgin claimed that, on the contrary, the militias destroyed about 100 Ukrainian armored vehicles.
"A lot of Ukrainian armored vehicles were destroyed today, 7 at one place, 12 at another. And the same all over the DPR territory. A total of about 100 of them," Purgin said.
The
implication is clear: while 100 or so Ukraine armored vehicles may or
may not have been destroyed, one wonders if indeed the Ukraine army
was responsible in "aiding" the separatists with what would
appear to be a friendly-fire incident?
But
perhaps the most damning evidence comes from none other than the
White House itself, which according to CNN just admitted that while
it accuses Moscow of "incursions" it
can't confirm the convoy was destroyed by Kiev.
WH
accuses Moscow of "repeated Russian & Russian-supported
incursions" into #Ukraine tho
says can't confirm convoy destroyed by Kiev
Perhaps
for the simplest reason that there is no evidence to help with the
confirmation process?
Which is rather unpleasant, because as explained above, without confirmation of a destroyed convoy, the whole story falls apart as merely yet another unprecedented warmongering fabrication, one involving not only the Kiev regime, but NATO and the UK press as well!
What is worse, is that if indeed the specter arises that Ukraine is lying about an event that nearly gave the market a heart attack on the belief that a new international war involving Russia may be about to break out, was Ukraine also lying about flight MH-17. And else may the Kiev regime been lying about?
It
Begins: Ukraine Troops Destroy Part Of "Armed" Russian
Convoy, Stocks Crash
Things just escalated notably - (Via Bloomberg):Reuters reports,
- *UKRAINE'S POROSHENKO: CONFIRMED APC INCURSION TO CAMERON
Ukrainian artillery destroyed a "significant" part of a Russian armoured column that crossed into Ukraine during the night, President Petro Poroshenko told British Prime Minister David Cameron on Friday, according to the presidential website.
Separately, a Ukrainian military spokesman said Ukrainian forces had tracked the Russian armoured column as soon as it crossed onto Ukrainian soil."Appropriate actions were undertaken and a part of it no longer exists," military spokesman Andriy Lysenko told journalists.
We await Putin's response...
- *RUSSIA SAYS UKRAINE INTENSIFIES MILITARY OPS TO DISRUPT CONVOY
EU & US Stocks and bond yields (and Ruble) are tumbling, gold rising.
Of course we noted this last night...
As The Guardian reports,
While the white trucks came to a halt well short of Ukraine's border, a different Russian convoy did cross into Ukrainian territory late on Thursday evening.The Guardian saw a column of 23 armoured personnel carriers, supported by fuel trucks and other logistics vehicles with official Russian military plates, travelling towards the border near the Russian town of Donetsk.
After pausing by the side of the road until nightfall, the convoy crossed into Ukrainian territory, using a rough dirt track and clearly crossing through a gap in a barbed wire fence that demarcates the border. Armed men were visible in the gloom by the border fence as the column moved into Ukraine.Kiev has lost control of its side of the border in this area.The trucks are unlikely to represent a full-scale official Russian invasion, and it was unclear how far they planned to travel inside Ukrainian territory and how long they would stay. But it was incontrovertible evidence of what Ukraine has long claimed – that Russian troops are active inside its borders....The armoured column seen by the Guardian appeared to be further evidence of Russia's incursions, which the Kremlin has repeatedly denied.
Read more here...
- UKRAINIAN MILITARY SPOKESMAN SAYS UKRAINE FORCES ENGAGED RUSSIAN ARMOURED COLUMN ON UKRAINIAN SOIL AND "PART OF IT NO LONGER EXISTS"
- UKRAINIAN MILITARY SPOKESMAN SAYS UKRAINIAN FORCES HAD TRACKED RUSSIAN ARMOURED COLUMN AFTER IT CROSSED BORDER INTO UKRAINE
- RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY SAYS UKRAINIAN FORCES ENGAGING IN INTENSE FIGHTING IN EASTERN UKRAINE TO STOP HUMANITARIAN AID TO THE REGION
But stocks knew better?
Someone
Is Lying: Russia Defense Ministry Says There Was No Military Column
In East Ukraine
And
just like that the disinformation war goes full retard:
- RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS THERE WAS NO RUSSIAN MILITARY COLUMN THAT CROSSED INTO EASTERN UKRAINE - RIA
- RUSSIA SAYS UKRAINE STATEMENTS BASED ON `SOME FANTASIES': RIA
- STATEMENTs BASED ON FANTASIES SHOULDN'T BE THE SUBJECT OF SERIOUS DISCUSSION: RIA
And
the full google-translated RIA
article:
No Russian military convoy that allegedly crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border, does not exist, said Friday the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov.
"In the Russian Defense Ministry denied reports of alleged" extermination "Ukrainian military" Russian military convoy, "which allegedly crossed the eve of the Russian-Ukrainian border," - said the Russian defense ministry.
"No Russian military convoy, which allegedly crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border by night or by day - exists. And it would be best if the Ukrainian artillery destroyed some phantom, instead of refugees or their own troops," - said the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, General -Major Igor Konashenkov.
"Such statements are based on some kind of fantasy, or rather assumptions journalists should not be the subject of serious discussion by senior officials of any country", - the report says.
What is happening in Ukraine and New Russia
Mass anti-government protests began in the south-eastern regions of Ukraine in late February 2014. They were a response to local residents on the violent change of power in the country and the subsequent attempt to cancel the Verkhovna Rada of the law granting the Russian language the status of regional. Center of opposition pro-Russian citizens with the authorities in Kiev became the Donbass. About how the conflict evolved in the south-east of Ukraine, read in the chronicleof RIA Novosti.
Surely
the Ukraine president, who already
confirmed to David Cameron that the Russian column was
mostly "eliminated" will be releasing a YouTube clip with
the proof momentarily.
Russia
Responds: Ukraine Statement On Convoy "Provocation", Seeks
To Aggravate Conflict, Drag In Russia
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/russia-responds-ukraine-statement-convoy-provocation-seeks-aggravate-conflict-drag-r
All
morning we have been waiting for some Russian response to the
announced, if so far unconfirmed, attacked by Ukraine on a Russian
"military convoy". We got it moments ago. From Bloomberg:
- UKRAINE SEEKS TO AGGRAVATE CONFLICT, DRAG IN RUSSIA: ZAKHAROVA
- RUSSIA FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESWOMAN ZAKHAROVA COMMENTS BY PHONE
- UKRAINE'S STATEMENTS ON ARMED CONVOY `PROVOCATION': ZAKHAROVA
And
remember what we said not even
an hour ago: "as
a reminder this is first and foremost a war of relentless propaganda
on all sides",
well Russia seems to agree:
- UKRAINE'S REPORT ON CONVOY PART OF INFORMATION WAR: ZAKHAROVA
Time
for the CIA to unleash the YouTube clips. And while we are waiting,
perhaps Ukraine can finally release those MH-17 air traffic control
recordings its secret police
confiscated a month ago, and which the entire world forgot about?
Russia
Responds: Ukraine Ukraine President Issues Statement On "Elimination"
Of Russian Convoy By Ukraine Artillery
From
the official website of the presidency
of Ukraine
President
of Ukraine and Prime Minister of Great Britain discussed
international efforts on the settlement of the conflict in the Donbas
President
of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko had a phone conversation with Prime
Minister of Great Britain David Cameron.
The
parties coordinated their actions on the response to the information
regarding the entry of Russian military machines to the territory of
Ukraine that has been clearly witnessed by international journalists,
particularly of "Guardian"
newspaper. The
President informed that the given information was trustworthy and
confirmed because the
majority of that machines had been eliminated by the Ukrainian
artillery at night.
The
British Prime Minister once again reaffirmed his strong and gradual
support to Ukraine and the actions of the President. He also asked
about the issue on humanitarian assistance for Luhansk. The President
informed on recent developments. He stressed that the Ukrainian part
of the international humanitarian assistance in the framework of the
Red Cross mission was on its way to Luhansk.
The
President expressed concern over the situation on the border,
particularly, over the fact that the inflow of Russian arms and
military machines in Ukraine through the open part of the border
continued.
The
parties discussed international efforts for the dialogue on the
possibility to settle the situation in the Donbas and the prospects
of enhancing military-technical cooperation.
David
Cameron informed that Great Britain was ready to provide financial
assistance to Ukraine in the framework of the UN humanitarian
assistance.
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