Lavrov: Russia, US, EU, Ukraine agree on de-escalation roadmap
Russian
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov holds a press conference following a
Geneva meeting of top diplomats from the EU, Russia, Ukraine and the
United States, who held talks on the recent crisis in Ukraine.
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"Ukraine deal"? Maybe. But the insanity sure continues...
I
am trying to make sense of what is going on. But so far, this looks
like more of the total, absolute terminally insane chaos which we saw
in the first 2 days of the Ukrainian civil war. See for yourself:
First
a deal between the the USA and Russia (-: well, officially they
seriously refer to it as the Ukraine, EU, US, Russia agreement :-) is
announced. Specifically, the deal is on "de-escalation".
So
far, so good.
Then,
in a BBC post, I read this pearl:
Mr
Kerry said the extent of the crisis had been highlighted in recent
days by the "grotesque" sending of notices to Jews in
eastern Ukraine, demanding that they register themselves as Jewish.
Again,
even though this is an obscene, literally polar, 180 degree,
misrepresentation of the target, it is also interesting. The fact
that the Ukies were killing each other is irrelevant, think of it
like a few dead bugs on your windshield, but if GOD FORBID there
might be ANY sign of Jews being not killed, not tortured, not beat up
by bats or lynched by a mob, but just forced to register as such,
they TOTAL PANIC must ensue, this is clearly a PLANETARY EMERGENCY
REQUIERING AN IMMEDIATE WORLDWIDE MOBILIZATION!!!! (yes, this must be
written all in caps, if not - you are an anti-Semite). So Kerry just
had to act and by its action, no doubt, the USA will prevent another
"Holocaust of 6 million Jews" (here the quotation marks are
essential because Hitler's mass murder must *only* be referred to as
"Holocaust" and absolutely must include the absolutely
obligatory figure of 6 millon, if not - you are an anti-Semite).
And,
of course, the fact that the only Nazis in the Ukraine are those of
the US and EU supported illegal regime makes no difference at all.
After all, they really don't care one bit about the life or
well-being of any Jew (or Anglo for that matter) at all. For the US
any murdered or mistreated Jew is nothing more than a pretext for
intervention, a good thing, really (at least in their sick minds).
To
cap it all off, I then saw this:
Kiev:
Military operation in Ukraine southeast to go on despite Geneva
agreement
Despite
calls for a peaceful dialogue in the document on Ukraine adopted in
Geneva, the coup-imposed Ukrainian Foreign Minister said it will not
affect the “anti-terrorist” operation in the East of the country
and the troops will remain there. Soon after the Geneva document,
adopted at a four-side meeting between Ukraine, the US, the EU and
Russia, was published, Ukraine’s acting Foreign Minister Andrey
Deshchytsa said Kiev is not bound by its recommendations.
According to Deshchytsa cited by RIA Novosti, “the troops in the
East of the country are carrying out a special operation and can
remain where they are.”
So
much for de-escalation I suppose.
I
suppose that as long as these anti-terrorist forces continue
murdering Russian-speaking civilians and refrain from listing Jews,
that is kosher from the USA's point of view.
So
you will forgive me if I am overtaken by a powerful wave of positive
emotions at the news that some kind of deal was struck.
Give
me a couple of hours to find out what the hell is really going on and
I will come back to you with hopefully a halfway decent SITREP (-:
caps not mandatory here, but that is the convention :-)
Cheers,
The
Saker
See
this from about a month ago
Relax,
Ukraine is NOT Ordering Its Jews to Register
17
April, 2014
Today,
the Western press caught
up with
the Ukrainian rumor mill: apparently, the People's Republic of
Donetsk had ordered all Jews over the age of 16 to pay a fee of $50
U.S. and register with the new "authorities," or face loss
of citizenship or expulsion. This was laid out in officious-looking
fliers pasted
on the local synagogue. One local snapped a photo of the fliers and
sent it to a friend in Israel, who then took it to the Israeli press
and, voila, an international scandal: American Twitter is abuzz with
it, Drudge is hawking
it,
and, today in Geneva, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerryslammed the
fliers as "grotesque."
The
Donetsk Jewish community dismissed this
as "a provocation," which it clearly is. "It's an
obvious provocation designed to get this exact response, going all
the way up to Kerry," says Fyodr Lukyanov, editor of Russia
in Global Affairs. "I
have no doubt that there is a sizeable community of anti-Semites on
both sides of the barricades, but for one of them to do something
this stupid—this is done to compromise the pro-Russian groups in
the east."
Why?
The Russian government has been playing
up the
(real but small) role of fascists and neo-Nazis in the victory of the
EuroMaidan in Kiev. The Ukrainian government, utterly powerless to
fight off the Russians and their local stooges, have had to rely on
other methods, like leaking taped phone calls of allegedly local
separatists getting their commands from Moscow. This may be just
another tactic to smear the so-called anti-Maidan in the east of
Ukraine: you think we're fascists? Well, take a look at these guys.
Indeed,
the Russian web chatter has sniffed the hand of the Dnipropetrovsk
city government. (Dnipropetrovsk is another eastern Ukrainian city,
but one that has been spared this chaos, in part because of the firm
hand of its new regional governor, Jewish businessman Ihor
Kolomoisky.
One (Jewish) blogger said he
received a similar looking flier from an official in the
Dnipropetrovsk city administration.
On
the other hand, says Vladimir Fedorin, an independent Russian
journalist working in Ukraine, we shouldn't totally dismiss these
fliers. "I think the fliers are fake, but the anti-Maidan crowd
is a collection of the hardcore 'alternative' variety and criminals,
so it's possible some of them are capable of this." To wit,
there were also reports of teenagers distributing these fliers.
So,
in conclusion: the Jews of Donetsk and eastern Ukraine may have been
asked by a leaflet to register, but it has not been enforced nor are
any Ukrainian Jews registering themselves. If that changes, I'll be
all over it, but so far, you can breathe easy. No Holocaust 2.0 just
yet
Kiev:
Military operation in Ukraine southeast to go on despite Geneva
agreement
17
April, 2014
Despite
calls for a peaceful dialogue in the document on Ukraine adopted in
Geneva, the coup-imposed Ukrainian Foreign Minister said it will not
affect the “anti-terrorist” operation in the East of the country
and the troops will remain there.
Soon
after the Geneva document, adopted at a four-side meeting between
Ukraine, the US, the EU and Russia, was published, Ukraine’s acting
Foreign Minister Andrey Deshchytsa said Kiev is not bound by its
recommendations.
According
to Deshchytsa cited by RIA Novosti, “the troops in the East
of the country are carrying out a special operation and can remain
where they are.”
This
comes despite the statement issued by the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry
following the meeting, which says:
“All
sides have pledged to refrain from any form of violence, intimidation
or provocative actions. The participants of the meeting strongly
condemned and rejected all forms of extremism, racism and religious
intolerance, including manifestations of anti-Semitism.”
Deshchytsa
said the Ukrainian side has agreed on “joint efforts” with
Russia “to start the process of de-escalation in eastern
Ukraine.”
Speaking
after the four-side meeting, US Secretary of State John Kerry also
gave an assurance that the Ukrainian authorities are ready to
ensure “inclusive and transparent” constitutional
reform. All regions of Ukraine will be included in the work towards
this reform, he said.
Ukraine
will take de-escalation measures in the coming days, Kerry claimed,
adding that Washington will “watch that very closely.”
“All
of this, we are convinced, represents a good day’s work, but on the
other hand, this day’s work has produced principles, and it has
produced commitments and it has produced words on paper. And we are
the first to understand and agree that words on paper will only mean
what the actions taken as a result of those words produce,” Kerry
said.
The
top US diplomat again threatened Russia with “additional
sanctions, additional costs as a consequence,” if there is
no progress in eastern Ukraine. At the same time, he hinted some
sanctions may be lifted if the de-escalation process goes well.
All
sides of the conflict in Ukraine must refrain from violence and
provocations, Kerry stressed. International meetings on Ukraine
should continue, he said.
EU
foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton has assessed the talks
as “frank but constructive discussions,” saying
that “it was extremely important to bring us all together
here to have that process of dialogue begin.”
“We
absolutely welcomed the Ukrainian commitment to conduct an inclusive
and transparent constitutional process,” Ashton said.
The EU diplomat stressed that measures to de-escalate the
situation in Ukraine should be taken “immediately,” with
the leading role given to the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission, which
will “assist the Ukrainian authorities and local
communities to take the necessary measures that they need to
take.”
Ashton said the EU will “continue
to support efforts to stabilize the situation in Ukraine
economically, financially and politically.”
“Today
President Barroso of the European Commission wrote to President Putin
on behalf of the European Union, accepting President Putin’s
proposal for consultations with Russia and Ukraine, trilateral
consultations, on the security of gas supply and transit,” she
added.
Ukraine
crisis: Geneva talks produce agreement on defusing conflict
US,
Russia, Ukraine and EU agree measures including end of violence,
disarming of illegal groups and amnesty for protesters
17
April, 2014
The
US, Russia, Ukraine and
the European
Union have
reached agreement on a series of immediate steps aimed at pulling
eastern Ukraine back from the brink of war.
The
deal, clinched after a dramatic extended meeting in Geneva, calls
for the disarming of all illegal groups. In the next few days they
would have to vacate all the government buildings and public spaces
they have occupied over the course of the crisis.
In
return, the protesters in eastern Ukraine would be offered amnesty
for all but capital crimes and the government in Kiev would
immediately start a process of public consultation aimed at
devolving constitutional powers to the provinces.
Barack
Obama cautiously welcomed the agreement, describing it as a "glimmer
of hope". But he insisted that Russia still needed to see
through its commitment to calming tensions in Ukraine. "We're
not going to count on it until we see it," he said.
The
Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) will be
given the job not only of making sure the agreement will be put into
practice but of helping to implement it. The US, Russia and European
countries would provide monitors to beef up the OSCE's manpower,
which would be given access across Ukraine.
Speaking
after the deal was agreed, the US secretary of state, John
Kerry,
made it clear that the US would hold Russia accountable for the
compliance of the pro-Russian protesters in eastern Ukraine.
"Responsibility
will lie with those who have organised their presence, provided them
with the weapons, put the uniforms on them, supported them, and have
been engaged in the process of guiding them over the course of this
operation," Kerry said, adding that the US had "made very
clear that Russia has a huge impact on all those forces. And we have
made clear what the evidence is."
A
planned escalation of US sanctions on Russia would be suspended
pending Russian compliance "over the weekend".
Obama
said it would be "several days" before the agreement could
be judged.
"I
don't think we can be sure of anything at this point," he said.
"There is the possibility that diplomacy may de-escalate the
situation, and we may be able to move towards what has always been
our goal, which is to let the Ukrainians make their own decision
about their own lives."
The
Geneva meeting, which brought together Kerry, the Russian foreign
minister, Sergei Lavrov, Ukrainian counterpart Andrii Deshchytsia
and the EU foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, began with low
expectations as clashes across eastern Ukraine between government
forces and armed protesters were escalating.
At
least one demonstrator was killed when pro-Russian protesters tried
to storm a military base in the town of Mariupol. It was expected
that the talks would only last a couple of hours, and a room was
prepared for Lavrov to talk to the press at midday, raising concerns
he might walk out of the negotiations.
In
the end, however, intense talks went on for seven hours, leading to
the agreement, intended "to de-escalate tensions and restore
security for all citizens".
The
deal has five main points:
• All
sides refrain from violence, and reject expressions "of
extremism, racism and religious intolerance, including
antisemitism".
• All
illegal armed groups must be disarmed; all illegally seized
buildings must be returned; all illegally occupied streets and other
public places in Ukrainian cities and towns must be vacated.
• Amnesty
will be granted to protesters and to those who have left buildings
and other public places and surrendered weapons, with the exception
of those found guilty of capital crimes.
• The
OSCE would play a leading role in helping the authorities implement
the agreement.
• Constitutional
reform would be inclusive, transparent and accountable.
The
agreement does not address the build-up of Russian troops on the
Ukrainian border, nor the beefing up of the Nato presence on
Russia's western border, announced on Wednesday by the alliance's
secretary general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
Kerry
said that Russia had withdrawn one battalion from the border region
and had made clear it would make further, bigger withdrawals as the
Geneva agreement was implemented.
Kerry
drew special attention to reports that antisemitic leaflets had been
handed out to Jews in Donetsk, calling on them to register with the
separatist authorities. The separatists denied responsibility.
Without
specifically assigning blame, Kerry said: "In the year 2014,
after all the violence and the journey of history, this is not just
intolerable, it's grotesque. It's beyond unacceptable. Whoever is
involved in these activities, wherever they crawled out of, there is
no place for that."
Speaking
at the White House after a call with German chancellor Angela
Merkel, and prior to a scheduled call with British prime minister
David Cameron, Obama said that foreign ministers in Geneva had
acknowledged the efforts by the interim government in Ukraine to
reassure pro-Russians in the east and south of the country.
The
statement agreed to by all four parties in Geneva was "promising",
Obama said. "The Russians signed on to that statement. The
question now becomes: will in fact they use the influence that they
exerted in a disruptive way to restore some order?"
The
president said the US and EU had prepared additional sanctions to
impose against Russia if it does not change course, adding that,
while the US does not want to hurt ordinary Russians, "it could
get significantly worse".
"My
hope is that we actually do see follow through [from Russia] over
the next several days," he said. "But I don't think, given
past performance, that we count on that. And we have to be prepared
to potentially respond to what continue to be efforts of
interference by the Russians in eastern and southern Ukraine."
In
Ukraine, tensions continued to rise in the east between residents
supporting and opposing the new Kiev government. Protesters gathered
outside police headquarters in Stakhanov to demand the local police
chief's resignation. They attempted to storm the building, but were
reportedly repelled by residents who formed a human shield in front
of the station.
On
Thursday, hundreds gathered in Donetsk to demonstrate for Ukrainian
territorial integrity. The rally ended peacefully, unlike similar
demonstrations in previous weeks where pro-Russian protesters beat
participants. Student Dima Balakai said he was there to oppose the
Russian-backed "bandits" occupying the regional
administration building.
"There
are no violations against the Russian language here," he said,
referring to pro-Russian protesters' tendency to blame Kiev for
oppressing Russian speakers. "If I speak Ukrainian at the
institute, they could soon kick me out."
He
said he was beaten by a crowd of young men at a similar rally on 4
March.
Activists
from the "people's republic" occupying the administration
building went to Donetsk airport to demand negotiations with
officials. They told the Guardian they wanted to prevent any
military flights from landing, as well as ensure that Russian
citizens could arrive freely. The Russian airline Aeroflot said the
Ukrainian border service had placed an entry ban on Russian men aged
16 to 60. The Russian foreign ministry said it had requested more
information from its Ukrainian counterpart, but journalists at
Kiev's Borispol airport reported seeing Russian male passengers
turned back.
Donetsk
activists said such an entry ban has already been in place de facto
in eastern Ukraine. Dima Prokopshuk said two friends from Russia
whom he had invited to his recent wedding were turned back at the
Ukrainian border three times even though they tried to enter from
Crimea, Belgorod and Rostov-on-Don.
More
"De-escalation" - NATO Sends Five Warships To Baltic Sea
The
latest development out of NATO, which was
already largely expected,
must be part of the just announced elaborate de-escalation
scheme.
NATO members are sending navy ships to the Baltic Sea to increase the security of the alliance's eastern European allies in response to the Ukraine crisis.
NATO's Maritime Command said Thursday it is sending four minesweepers and a support vessel to the Baltic Sea. The ships are from Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium and Estonia.
The alliance said Thursday it does not intend to escalate the situation in Ukraine, but rather to "demonstrate solidarity" and ramp up NATO's readiness.
NATO has made clear it does not want to get involved militarily in Ukraine, which is not a NATO member.
Ah
yes, because the Geneva "de-escalation" statement
explicitly did not mention anything about a military build up when it
is solely for "solidarity demonstration" purposes, and not
for "intimidation or provocation." At least we now know
what loopholey, umbrella phrase the next Russian escalation in east
Ukraine will be held under: "demonstrating solidarity" with
ethnic Russians in the region.
Russians
are not allowed to celebrate Easter in Ukraine
Today Ukrainian border
guards were not allowed into the country immediately 45 Russian
citizens heading to Ukraine to visit relatives for the Passover. All
of them were forced to return to the train station of Belgorod.
17
April, 2014
The
first time in post-Soviet history Ukrainian border guards were not
allowed into the country immediately today 45 Russian citizens,
including - women with children, according to ITAR-TASS. Russians
went to Ukraine to meet with the relatives of one of the major
Christian holidays - Easter. This year, the great religious festival
falls on April 20.
According
to the agency head of the press service of the FSB Border Directorate
of Belgorod and Voronezh regions Dmitry Zhukov, "people came out
of the train in which they are planted in the Ukraine border guards,
with puzzled faces. Young mother trying to calm their children, who
because of their age were incomprehensible "adult games".
According
to one of the victims, inspection was carried out selectively, as a
pretext for refusing to enter Ukraine was clearly invented - "no
purpose of stay in the country."
Railways
employees in Belgorod assisted returning passengers to purchase
tickets for Russian trains and sent them home. Earlier, the Ukrainian
authorities have dispatched a number of airlines notification of the
ban on entry into the country for a number of Russian citizens. The
list includes all men aged 16 to 60, residents of the Crimea and
women from 20 to 35 years. In the State Border Service of Ukraine
confirmed the notification.
"From
today, we have significantly limited the admission in Ukraine adult
male Russians - Interfax news agency reported the press service of
border services. - In connection with information about possible
provocations on the border and terrorist acts, immigration officials
temporarily increased control over citizens who enter the country
from the Russian Federation. "
Currently,
between Ukraine and Russia, there is visa-free regime. Citizens of
both countries can undertake travel not only overseas, but also on
internal passports. Russia had planned to introduce a mandatory entry
on foreign passports to citizens of countries with visa-free regime
with Russia, since 2015.
Obama:
We are preparing additional sanctions against Russia
United
States President Barack Obama said Thursday afternoon that his
administration is prepared to take further action against Russia if
an agreement reached earlier in the day in Geneva concerning the
crisis in Ukraine fails to materialize.
RT,
17
April 2014
Hours
earlier, US Secretary of State said from Switzerland that American
representatives had just met with officials from the European Union,
Russia and Ukraine, and all parties agreed to work diplomatically
with one another during the next few days to destabilize the conflict
between the Moscow- and Kiev-based governments as tensions continue
to worsen in the region.
Speaking
from the White House that same afternoon, however, Pres. Obama
expressed uncertainty over the Geneva agreement and said his
administration will further sanction Russia if they don’t uphold
their end of the bargain and “we don’t see actual improvement”
as promised.
“I
don’t think we can be sure of anything at this point,” Obama told
reporters with regards to what will come next of the crisis. “I
think there is a possibility — a prospect — that diplomacy may
deescalate the situation.”
Speaking
of the newly-reached agreement, Pres. Obama said “There was a
promising public statement that indicated the need to disarm all
irregular forces and militias and groups that have been occupying
buildings” in eastern and southern Ukraine.
“The
Russians signed on to that statement, and the question now becomes,
will in fact they use the influence that they exerted in a disruptive
way to restore some order so that Ukrainians can carry out an
election [and] move forward with the destabilization,” he asked,
“…and start getting back on the path to growth and democracy.”
Pres.
Obama also said that he plans to speak later in the day with German
Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron to
discuss possible sanctions to be waged against Russia if it fails to
adhere to the agreements of the Geneva deal reached earlier that day,
but reaffirmed that the US has taken the option of military force off
of the table.
“We
have to be prepared to potentially respond to what would continue to
be efforts of interference from the Russians in eastern and southern
Ukraine,” Obama said.
In
the meantime, though, the president said he urges Russia to help
“create an environment in which irregular forces disarm, that the
seizing of buildings cease [and] that a national dialogue by
Ukrainians — not by Russians, not by Americans or anyone else by
Ukrainians — takes place.”
“My
understanding is that the Ukrainian prime minister gave a detailed
and thorough presentation about the reform they intend to introduce,
including reforms that provide assurances for Ukrainians who live in
eastern and southern Ukraine — that they will be fully represented,
that their rights will be protected, that Russian speakers and
Russian natives in Ukraine will have full protection of the law,”
the president said..
The
most important agreement reached during the talks, according to
Russian Prime Minister Lavrov, states that the Ukrainian crisis “must
be resolved by the Ukrainians themselves concerning an end to the
conflict” including those related to “detaining protesters,
occupying buildings” and, in the long run “the start of true
constitutional reform.”
“Among
the steps that have to be taken are: the disarmament of all the
illegal armed groups, and the return of all the occupied
administrative buildings,” Lavrov told journalists after Thursday’s
briefing.
According
to Russia’s RIA Novosti news agency, acting Ukrainian Foreign
Minister Andrey Deshchytsa said Thursday that Kiev is not bound by
the recommendations reached during the Geneva deal, and added that
“the troops in the East of the country are carrying out a special
operation and can remain where they are.”
Sec.
Kerry, meanwhile, said that thousands of Russian troops remained
posted on the country’s border with Ukraine, though some have been
withdrawn “in response to the efforts we’ve made to insist on
some movement.”
Russia,
Kerry said, “made it clear that over a period of time, assuming
this can de-escalate, and it does de-escalate, as the rights of the
people they are concerned about are represented, as the
constitutional process unfolds and the future government of Ukraine
takes place, they are absolutely prepared to begin to respond with
respect to [withdrawing] troops in larger numbers.”
Both
Obama and Kerry said they hope for the de-escalation efforts to
become evident by early next week at the latest.
Great compilation of perspectives on the ongoing crisis in the Ukraine, Thx Robin Westenra. We all need to draw our own conclusions from the barrage of info and disinfo surrounding this debacle. I wouldn't trust any of the agreements that many protaganists in this confrontation sign up for. What they are saying is hardly likely to be what they are thinking. I firmly believe the Party Line that they are All selling is simply for public consumption.
ReplyDeleteI note that the signatory to the Notice to the Jewish community to register has denied all knowledge of it's existence and any involvement in it's dissemination.
"Mr Kerry said the extent of the crisis had been highlighted in recent days by the "grotesque" sending of notices to Jews in eastern Ukraine, demanding that they register themselves as Jewish"
I believe this is pure fear mongering and classic disinformation.