I am a usually fair-minded person and I have always supported immigration into this country. I also support the bi-cultural policy and the Treaty of Waitangi.
I have no beef with Muslims either.
However, when it comes from an agenda that seems to to arise from the largely-engineered migrant crisis in Europe I am horrified by the prospect of uncontrolled entry of all comers, something that is happening in Europe and which they want to introduce elsewhere, including into New Zealand.
No country can stand for long the rapid demographic changes that are being foisted upon the inhabitants.
Muslims are not all equal. There are millions of good, well-meaning Muslims but there are also the Sunni, Salafist extremists who are spreading Saudi-backed extremism around the globe.
The Muslims are not the same to those that rule over us. It is the former groups that are making their way all over the world aided and abetted by governments and groups in the West.
I have to ask why, when they are perhaps the most endangered group, not only in Syria but in the Middle East no Christian refugees have been brought into the country.
Here are a few random thoughts on this...
- We have people already here and they are not being looked after.
- None of these people are criticising Paciific Islanders or are anti-Maori - quite the contrary.They want to look after those who are here
- Where is discussion of the Treaty of Waitangi in public debate these days?
- If these people were really linked to"neo-nazis" they would be talking about throwing out non-white groups.ot one person is saying this!
- Most are concerned about their children and grandchildren and want those who are already here to be looked after.
And here is a video that deals in part with this question and juxtaposes this with a letter I received from Radio New Zealand.
Here is discussion of this from Carol Sakey
Here is discussion of this from Carol Sakey
Read this:
This article which I will not post because they loudly claim copyright rights makes a claim that:
"The Government Communications Security Bureau has linked a campaign against New Zealand signing up to a UN Treaty to neo-Nazi groups based in Austria."
This was raised by Iranian-born Green MP, Golriz Ghahraman who "revealed the GCSB’s discovery yesterday saying that a Parliamentary Committee had been briefed on the finding.
According to the artilce Foreign Minister, Winston Peters "confirmed her claim".
"Peters did not name the group, but the Austrian neo-Nazi, Martin Sellner, the leader of the Identitäre Bewegung Österreichs (IBÖ, Identitarian Movement of Austria) played a leading role in the campaign against the Compact there"
They then go on to associate this with the Christchurch mass murderer (and possible patsy), Brenton Tarrant.
"It is not known whether Tarrant was involved in the New Zealand campaign against the pact which appears to have been headlined by an obscure right-wing extremist groups called Right Minds NZ led by Dieuwe de Boer."
I had not heard of Right Minds NZ or Diuewe de Boer so I went looking.
I will leave it up to you to make up your mind whether de Boer is "neo-nazi", "extreme Right' or simply anti-mass migration.
I know what real nazism looks like and I suspect it is not these people - you might need to look to Ukraine for some real nazis, but they have been embraced by western governments and media.
Some of these people are pretty unpleasant and I do not identify with their views but are they what they are being portrayed as?
After looking at everything surrounding the March 15 events in Christchurch I suspect not.
Said Peters, who has previously been attacked for an "anti-immigration" and even "racist" approach as minister has embraced the globalist Pact
“We were never going to stand aside while a bunch of Nazis of a very, very minuscule number in Austria could mount a campaign of disinformation like that and get away with it."
The whole issue of bipartisanship in foreign affairs was correctly raised by the National party:
"National’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson, Todd McClay told the Committee that National had been concerned about the impact the Compact would have on New Zealand’s ability to undertake its own immigration settings.
He said it was only after he raised that question that Peters obtained the legal opinion."
“I strongly suspect that the "non- binding" nature of the Pact is probably smoke-and-mirrors and once it comes into being the government will fall into line and embrace it as policy.
After all why sign it otherwise.
According to Ghahraman members of the GCSB oversight committee stated:
"The misinformation campaign about the binding nature and the way that the Compact was supposedly designed to interfere with immigration policy domestically, was started by neo-Nazi groups in Europe"
Said Peters:
"I'm seriously proud of the fact that y despite the huge pressure, and I personally have never seen a campaign like that, and I've had a few crap campaigns against me in the past, but this was the most vicious and I decided we would stick to our guns and out them.
"It didn't deter us."
NZ media coverage
Here is further discussion of this:
Here is a discussion on the UN Pact
UN Compact on Migration
5 December, 2018
Various readers have commented in recent weeks on the United Nations Global Compact for Safe, Orderly, and Regular Migration, due to be signed next week by as many governments as can be mustered in support. I’d had a quick skim through it and decided not to write about it here, as not only was it a non-binding political declaration, but most of it seemed more relevant to countries dealing with substantial illegal migration (and with migration mainly from very poor or disrupted countries – again, not the main situation in New Zealand). And, as I pointed out to various readers, who needs the United Nations for immigration policy and practice to cause problems at home. We have successive New Zealand governments, cheered on by the business and political “elites”, to do that for us.
But when I saw yesterday that the National Party – as pro-immigration as they come – had indicated that (a) it would not support signing, and (b) it would withdraw from the agreement when it returned to government, I thought I should take another look. It would, after all, be unusual to find myself in more of a middle-ground position on immigration issues that the National Pary. Then it emerged that the current government has still not yet decided whether to sign up. My suspicion remains that National’s stance is more about positioning relative to New Zealand First – the contest for provincial votes – than anything of substance.
Overseas, I was aware that the United States and Australia had decided not to sign, as well as a few eastern European countries – including some places whose democratic credentials are no longer unimpeachable. But when I went looking, I found this article suggesting the pushback in Europe is spreading. Austrian and Italy have refused to sign, and governments in Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands are under pretty intense pressure (from within). In Holland, for example
The government ordered a legal analysis of the text last week to ensure that signing it will not entail any legal consequences. The Cabinet finally decided on Thursday that it would support the pact, but would add an extra declaration, a so-called explanation of position, to prevent unintended legal consequences.
So I reread the document, more slowly this time. I can’t see any substantive need for the document – it seems more about political rhetoric and framing than anything else – and have long been deeply sceptical that the United Nations adds any value to anything much. And, yes, the document has a pro-migration tinge to it (it talks of wanting to “promote” migration) and a rather “globalist” set of presuppositions (including the demonstrably wrong statement – especially in the context of remote island states – that “no State can address migration alone”). But that doesn’t mark it out from dozens of pointless international fora and international declarations. And there is little doubt that the “elite” mindset, in Europe and its offshoots anyway, is mostly pretty strongly pro-immigration.
But it still isn’t clear to me quite what additional damage would be done by signing up to this pointless agreement. Sure, even “non-binding” agreements will, at times, be used in domestic and international fora as a rhetorical stick to beat governments with if they ever look like stepping out of line with the mainstream. But those sorts of arguments rarely deflect a government for long if it has domestic public opinion behind it in some direction or another (for good or ill).
There is some questionable economics in the document. For example
Promote effective skills matching in the national economy by involving local authorities and other relevant stakeholders, particularly the private sector and trade unions, in the analysis of the local labour market, identification of skills gaps, definition of required skills profiles, and evaluation of the efficacy of labour migration policies, in order to ensure market responsive contractual labour mobility through regular pathways.
Or, alternatively, one could just let the market work it out. When there are incipient skill shortages, wage rates tend to rise. Same thing happens when, for example, bad weather creates a shortage of spinach or lettuce. But, daft as the economics is, this stuff is the mindset of politicians and officials adminstering immigration schemes all over the western world. including New Zealand. Recall that in New Zealand the current government is trying to get more actively involved in this sort of thing.
There are also totally vacuous bits, like the commitment to support and promote the United Nations International Day of Family Remittances. Just what the world needs: another United Nations “day”.
Perhaps three clauses troubled me a little more.
There was this one
Enable political participation and engagement of migrants in their countries of origin, including in peace and reconciliation processes, in elections and political reforms, such as by establishing voting registries for citizens abroad, and by parliamentary representation, in accordance with national legislation.
I guess I can see what they are probably driving at (diasporas helping the reconstruction of the country of origin after say a protracted civil war). But, normally, we should expect migrants to commit themselves to their new country and its processes and political values and not be creating doubts about where their loyalties lie. But in a country in which Jian Yang and Raymond Huo are MPs – while still closely associating themselves with political interests in their country of origin – and people like Yikun Zhang appears encouraged to play both sides – it is hard to see how this particular provisions make things here any worse than they already are (around a small handful of our migrants).
And then there was this one
Promote mutual respect for the cultures, traditions and customs of communities of destination and of migrants by exchanging and implementing best practices on integration policies, programmes and activities, including on ways to promote acceptance of diversity and facilitate social cohesion and inclusion.
Which presents the issues as symmetric when they really should be asymmetric: the focus should be on encouraging the assimilation of the migrants, and ensuring their respect for the “cultures, traditions and customs” of the destination community – just as when you go to someone else’s place for dinner you respect their practices, table manners etc. One could also argue that encouraging “acceptance of diversity” and facilitating “social cohesion” are two contradictory, often mutually inconsistent, goals. But again, flakey as all this stuff is, it is the way our bureaucratic and political “leaders” think and act anyway. If the behaviour is a threat, it is hard to see that the UN agreement would be more of one.
Relatedly
Support multicultural activities through sports, music, arts, culinary festivals, volunteering and other social events that will facilitate mutual understanding and appreciation of migrant cultures and those of destination communities.
Quite what business this is of the UN – or even of national governments actually – one has to wonder, but there is the “globalist” mindset for you. And, again, it is pretty much what central and local governments do anyway. I was interested that “religion” wasn’t on the list
And then, of course, there is Objective 17 (of the 23 in the document) which I have seen people express more serious concern about.
OBJECTIVE 17: Eliminate all forms of discrimination and promote evidence-based public discourse to shape perceptions of migrationWe commit to eliminate all forms of discrimination, condemn and counter expressions, acts and manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, violence, xenophobia and related intolerance against all migrants in conformity with international human rights law. We further commit to promote an open and evidence-based public discourse on migration and migrants in partnership with all parts of society, that generates a more realistic, humane and constructive perception in this regard. We also commit to protect freedom of expression in accordance with international law, recognizing that an open and free debate contributes to a comprehensive understanding of all aspects of migration.
If that isn’t muddled I don’t know what is – let alone, unrealistic (in no conceivable world are “all forms of discrimination” going to be “eliminated”).
The specifics under that Objective include commitments to
Enact, implement or maintain legislation that penalizes hate crimes and aggravated hate crimes
So-called “hate crime” legislation is almost always bad law and bad policy. Punish assaults or murders or whatever as that: bad and unacceptable acts, regardless of who they are committed against or why.
And this
Promote independent, objective and quality reporting of media outlets, including internet based information, including by sensitizing and educating media professionals on migration-related issues and terminology, investing in ethical reporting standards and advertising, and stopping allocation of public funding or material support to media outlets that systematically promote intolerance, xenophobia, racism and other forms of discrimination towards migrants, in full respect for the freedom of the media.
Again, muddled at best. You want to stop any public funding to outlets whose views are “unacceptable”, while having “full respect for the freedom of the media”. Since I’m not entirely convinced there is a good case for public funding of any media outlets – and since the publicly-funded outlets in New Zealand are champions of high immigration and all “worthy” leftist causes anyway – it isn’t clear what difference this might make in New Zealand. And there seem to be some MPs – particularly in Labour and the Greens – who aren’t too keen on allowing free speech on such issues anyway, whether or not we sign up to UN non-binding declarations.
And finally under Objective 17
Engage migrants, political, religious and community leaders, as well as educators and service providers to detect and prevent incidences of intolerance, racism, xenophobia, and other forms of discrimination against migrants and diasporas and support activities in local communities to promote mutual respect, including in the context of electoral campaigns.
All very asymmetric – nothing at all about engaging with communities that might be uneasy about high immigration, or the immigration of groups with values antithetical to those of the destination community. Perhaps, in some respects, this commitment troubles me more than most. “Intolerance” is not an offence (in principle or in law) and it is the perfect right of people to debate – perhaps especially in election campaigns – the future composition of their society. A Saudi Wahhabi, a Chinese Communist Party zealot, an American evangelical, and a French secularist are all very different sorts of people. In large numbers, each group transplanted to (say) New Zealand would make a material difference to the society and polity we have here. Those debates matter – unless, apparently like the authors of this document – you regard all differences of culture, politics, religion etc as superficial rather than fundamental.
As I said at the start, there is no obvious need for this document. And even if there were obvious gaps, the very fact that it is a non-binding political declaration suggests it could meet no substantive need. But in a New Zealand context, there are policies and practices around immigration that are much more damaging and threatening, particularly to our long-term economic performance, and perhaps in other areas too. Among them:
- the immigration policies of the National Party
- the immigration policies of the Labour Party
- the immigration policies of the Green Party
- the immigration policies of ACT, and
- the immigration policies of New Zealand First
I think that pretty much covers the spectrum.
There is no conceivable universe in which some international declaration – or even agreement – around immigration would be more liberal and (in our specific economic circumstances) more damaging than what our political parties have done to us all by themselves.
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This is an extract from a 2003 discussion of immigration that points to past policy that is in the process of being dismantled without any real public input (rather the contrary)
Contemporary Policy Environment
New Zealand's current immigration policy has several objectives, all of which are designed to produce tangible social and economic benefits for the country. Since the late mid-1980s, the proactive immigration policies of successive governments have sought to:
- Contribute to New Zealand's human resource base by selecting migrants who are able quickly and effectively to match their skills with opportunities in New Zealand. A points-based selection system, similar to those used in Australia and Canada, was introduced in 1991 and is used to achieve this objective.
- Foster the development of strong international linkages by, for example, facilitating the entry of residents and travelers who will contribute to the building of strong economic and social connections with other countries. A system of bilateral visa-waiver agreements with 52 countries in Europe, the Americas, Asia, and Africa contributes to achieving this objective.
- Contribute to the development of a culture of enterprise and innovation by attracting migrants and business visitors with entrepreneurial skills and experience. Specific business migration and talent visa schemes are designed to assist in achieving this objective.
- Complement skills training and employment strategies by allocating temporary work permits to fill short-term skills shortages. Several initiatives have been adopted to fill skills shortages in the information and communication technology (ICT) sector, especially in recognition of the high level of international competition for skilled labor.
- Reunite the families of New Zealanders and respond to the humanitarian needs of those who have close family connections with residents in New Zealand. The current immigration program allows for 32 percent of the total approvals to be in the family and humanitarian categories.
- Meet New Zealand's obligations as a member of the international community through refugee programs. New Zealand has a long-established annual quota of 750 refugees selected by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for resettlement. Approximately 700 asylum seekers are granted refugee status each year.
- Maintain high levels of social cohesion in a bicultural society that is becoming more diverse in terms of its ethnic composition. New Zealand's immigrant selection system, while non-discriminatory on the basis of source country, is biased towards immigrants who have a good command of the English language, and have educational and professional qualifications that are recognized by New Zealand's Qualifications Authority and professional associations. It is believed that immigrants with these attributes will be able to integrate more effectively into a society that acknowledges a bicultural ideology rooted in the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, which was signed between representatives of the indigenous Maori tribes and the British Crown in 1940.
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