American
Socrates
LIVE
Chris
Hedges
15
June, 2014
CAMBRIDGE,
Mass.—Noam
Chomsky,
whom I interviewed last Thursday at his office at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology, has influenced intellectuals in the United
States and abroad in incalculable ways. His explications of empire,
mass propaganda, the hypocrisy and pliability of the liberal class
and the failings of academics, as well as the way language is used as
a mask by the power elite to prevent us from seeing reality, make him
the most important intellectual in the country. The force of his
intellect, which is combined with a ferocious independence, terrifies
the corporate state—which is why the commercial media and much of
the academic establishment treat him as a pariah. He is the Socrates
of our time.
We
live in a bleak moment in human history. And Chomsky begins from this
reality. He quoted the late Ernst
Mayr,
a leading evolutionary biologist of the 20th century who argued that
we probably will never encounter intelligent extraterrestrials
because higher life forms render themselves extinct in a relatively
short time.
“Mayr
argued that the adaptive value of what is called ‘higher
intelligence’ is very low,” Chomsky said. “Beetles and bacteria
are much more adaptive than humans. We will find out if it is better
to be smart than stupid. We may be a biological error, using the
100,000 years which Mayr gives [as] the life
expectancy of a species
to destroy ourselves and many other life forms on the planet.”
Climate change “may doom us all, and not in the distant future,” Chomsky said. “It may overwhelm everything. This is the first time in human history that we have the capacity to destroy the conditions for decent survival. It is already happening. Look at species destruction. It is estimated to be at about the level of 65 million years ago when an asteroid hit the earth, ended the period of the dinosaurs and wiped out a huge number of species. It is the same level today. And we are the asteroid. If anyone could see us from outer space they would be astonished.
There are sectors of the global
population trying to impede the global catastrophe.
There are other
sectors trying to accelerate it. Take a look at whom they are.
Those
who are trying to impede it are the ones we call backward, indigenous
populations—the First
Nations
in Canada, the aboriginals in Australia, the tribal people in India.
Who is accelerating it? The most privileged, so-called advanced,
educated populations of the world.”
If
Mayr was right, we are at the tail end of a binge, accelerated by the
Industrial Revolution, that is about to drive us over a cliff
environmentally and economically. A looming breakdown, in Chomsky’s
eyes, offers us opportunity as well as danger. He has warned
repeatedly that if we are to adapt and survive we must overthrow the
corporate power elite through mass movements and return power to
autonomous collectives that are focused on sustaining communities
rather than exploiting them. Appealing to the established
institutions and mechanisms of power will not work.
“We
can draw many very good lessons from the early period of the
Industrial Revolution,” he said. “The Industrial Revolution took
off right around here in eastern Massachusetts in the mid-19th
century. This was a period when independent farmers were being driven
into the industrial system. Men and women—women left the farms to
be ‘factory girls’—bitterly resented it. This was also a period
of a very free press, the freest in the history of the country. There
were a wide variety of journals. When you read them they are pretty
fascinating.
The people driven into the industrial system regarded it
as an attack on their personal dignity, on their rights as human
beings. They were free human beings being forced into what they
called ‘wage labor,’ which they regarded as not very different
from chattel slavery. In fact this was such a popular mood it was a
slogan of the Republican Party—‘The only difference between
working for a wage and being a slave is that working for the wage is
supposed to be temporary.’ ”
Chomsky
said this shift, which forced agrarian workers off the land into the
factories in urban centers, was accompanied by a destruction of
culture. Laborers, he said, had once been part of the “high culture
of the day.”
“I
remember this as late as the 1930s with my own family,” he said.
“This was being taken away from us. We were being forced to become
something like slaves. They argued that if you were a journeyman, a
craftsman, and you sell a product that you produce, then as a wage
earner what you are doing is selling yourself. And this was deeply
offensive. They condemned what they called ‘the new spirit of the
age,’ ‘gaining wealth and forgetting all but self.’ This sounds
familiar.”
It
is this radical consciousness, which took root in the mid-19th
century among farmers and many factory workers, that Chomsky says we
must recover if we are to move forward as a society and a
civilization. In the late 19th century farmers, especially in the
Midwest, freed themselves from the bankers and capital markets by
forming their own banks and co-operatives. They understood the danger
of falling victim to a vicious debt peonage run by the capitalist
class. The radical farmers made alliances with the Knights
of Labor,
which believed that those who worked in the mills should own them.
“By
the 1890s workers were taking over towns and running them in eastern
and western Pennsylvania, such as Homestead,” Chomsky said. “But
they were crushed by force. It took some time. The final blow was
Woodrow
Wilson’s Red Scare.”
“The
idea should still be that of the Knights of Labor,” he said. “Those
who work in the mills should own them. There is plenty of
manufacturing going on. There will be more. Energy prices are going
down in the United States because of the massive exploitation of
fossil fuels, which is going to destroy our grandchildren.
But under
the capitalist morality the calculus is profits tomorrow outweigh the
existence of your grandchildren. We are getting lower energy prices.
They [business leaders] are enthusiastic that we can undercut
manufacturing in Europe because we have lower energy prices. And we
can undermine European efforts at developing sustainable energy.”
Chomsky
hopes that those who work in the service industry and in
manufacturing can organize to begin to take control of their
workplaces. He notes that in the Rust Belt, including in states such
as Ohio, there is a growth of worker-owned enterprises.
The
rise of powerful populist movements in the early 20th century meant
that the business class could no longer keep workers subjugated
purely through violence. Business interests had to build systems of
mass propaganda to control opinions and attitudes. The rise of the
public relations industry, initiated by President Wilson’s
Committee
on Public Information
to instill a pro-war sentiment in the population, ushered in an era
of not only permanent war but also permanent propaganda. Consumption
was instilled as an inner compulsion. The cult of the self became
paramount. And opinions and attitudes, as they are today, were
crafted and shaped by the centers of power.
“A
pacifist population was driven to become war-mongering fanatics,”
Chomsky said. “It was this experience that led the power elite to
discover that through effective propaganda they could, as Walter
Lippmann
wrote, employ “a new art in democracy, manufacturing consent.’ ”
Democracy
was eviscerated. Citizens became spectators rather than participants
in power. The few intellectuals, including Randolph
Bourne,
who maintained their independence and who refused to serve the power
elite were pushed out of the mainstream, as Chomsky has been.
“Most
of the intellectuals on all sides were passionately dedicated to the
national cause,” Chomsky said of the First World War. “There were
only a few fringe dissenters. Bertrand Russell went to jail. Karl
Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg were killed. Randolph Bourne was
marginalized. Eugene Debs was in jail. They dared to question the
magnificence of the war.”
This
war hysteria has never ceased, moving seamlessly from a fear of the
German Hun to a fear of communists to a fear of Islamic jihadists and
terrorists.
“The
public is frightened into believing we have to defend ourselves,”
Chomsky said. “This is not entirely false. The military system
generates forces that will be harmful to us. Take Obama’s terrorist
drone campaign, the biggest terrorist campaign in history. This
program generates potential terrorists faster than it destroys
suspects. You can see it now in Iraq. Go back to the Nuremburg
judgments.
Aggression was defined as the supreme international crime. It
differed from other war crimes in that it encompasses all the evil
that follows. The U.S. and British invasion of Iraq is a textbook
case of aggression. By the standards of Nuremberg they [the British
and U.S. leaders] would all be hanged. And one of the crimes they
committed was to ignite the Sunni and Shiite conflict.”
The
conflict, which is now enflaming
the region,
is “a U.S. crime if we believe the validity of the judgments
against the Nazis. Robert Jackson, the chief prosecutor at the
[Nuremberg] tribunal, addressed the tribunal. He pointed out that we
were giving these defendants a poisoned chalice. He said that if we
ever sipped from it we had to be treated the same way or else the
whole thing is a farce.”
Today’s
elite schools and universities inculcate into their students the
worldview endorsed by the power elite. They train students to be
deferential to authority. Chomsky calls education at most of these
schools, including Harvard, a few blocks away from MIT, “a deep
indoctrination system.”
“There
is the understanding that there are certain things you do not say and
do not think,” Chomsky said. “This is very broad among the
educated classes. It is why they overwhelmingly support state power
and state violence, with some qualifications. Obama is regarded as a
critic of the invasion of Iraq. Why? Because he thought it was a
strategic blunder. That puts him on the same moral level as a Nazi
general who thought the second
front
was a strategic blunder. That’s what we call criticism.”
And
yet, Chomsky does not discount a resurgent populism.
“In
the 1920s the labor movement had been practically destroyed,” he
said. “This had been a very militant labor movement. In the 1930s
it changed, and it changed because of popular activism. There were
circumstances [the Great Depression] that led to the opportunity to
do something. We are living with that constantly. Take the last 30
years. For a majority of the population it has been stagnation or
worse. It is not the deep Depression, but it is a semi-permanent
depression for most of the population. There is plenty of kindling
out there that can be lighted.”
Chomsky
believes that the propaganda used to manufacture consent, even in the
age of digital media, is losing its effectiveness as our reality
bears less and less resemblance to the portrayal of reality by the
organs of mass media. While state propaganda can still “drive the
population into terror and fear and war hysteria, as we saw before
the invasion of Iraq,” it is failing to maintain an unquestioned
faith in the systems of power. Chomsky credits the Occupy movement,
which he describes as a tactic, with “lighting a spark” and, most
important, “breaking through the atomization of society.”
“There
are all sorts of efforts to separate people from one another,” he
said. “The ideal social unit [in the world of state propagandists]
is you and your television screen. The Occupy actions brought that
down for a large part of the population. People recognized that we
could get together and do things for ourselves. We can have a common
kitchen. We can have a place for public discourse. We can form our
ideas. We can do something. This is an important attack on the core
of the means by which the public is controlled. You are not just an
individual trying to maximize consumption. You find there are other
concerns in life. If those attitudes and associations can be
sustained and move in new directions, that will be important.”
Chris Hedges interviews Noam Chomsky
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