Towards making sense of
conflicting narratives on
coronavirus
Seemorerocks
I would like, after watching this for a couple of months to try and lay out some of
the conflicting narratives out there and where I stand with them and perhaps
make a weak attempt to join the dots.
I would like, after watching this for a couple of months to try and lay out some of
the conflicting narratives out there and where I stand with them and perhaps
make a weak attempt to join the dots.
It really is a case of “mind over matter” as I try to get my thoughts together
when I would rather be resting.
when I would rather be resting.
The first question is about the nature and the origin of the novel coronavirus
(aka. covid-19).
Did the coronavirus really come from a
fish market?
(aka. covid-19).
Did the coronavirus really come from a
fish market?
I wish to say from the outset that the only theory that I reject outright is that this
was a zoonotic virus that came from a fish market in Wuhan, China.
was a zoonotic virus that came from a fish market in Wuhan, China.
I have seen sufficient evidence to persuade me that this theory is false.
There are conflicting narratives on this and I have found it difficult to decide has
the more credibility.
the more credibility.
One says that there are patents for the virus and that this was spread to Wuhan
China during the military Olympic Games late last year at about the same time
as Event 201 which was an exercise that more or less described what is
happening right now.
China during the military Olympic Games late last year at about the same time
as Event 201 which was an exercise that more or less described what is
happening right now.
If I was to follow my own ideas about the nature of US imperialism, the Deep
State I would opt for this as the proper explanation. It has what I would regard as
indirect evidence and fits in terms of motive and opportunity.
State I would opt for this as the proper explanation. It has what I would regard as
indirect evidence and fits in terms of motive and opportunity.
The majority of people outside the mainstream are saying that this is a
bioweapon and came from a P4 biolab in Wuhan. I came across this idea from
various interviews with Dr.Daniel Boyle who put together US legislation against
biowarfare that was dropped after 9/11 2001.
bioweapon and came from a P4 biolab in Wuhan. I came across this idea from
various interviews with Dr.Daniel Boyle who put together US legislation against
biowarfare that was dropped after 9/11 2001.
Zero Hedge mentioned the laboratory at the end of January and was
permanently removed from Twitter the very same day.
permanently removed from Twitter the very same day.
However, this idea is becoming more popular outside the leftist and mainstream
media that will place CCP talking points over an honest discussion of the facts.
media that will place CCP talking points over an honest discussion of the facts.
About a week ago Epoch Times, which is related to the Falun Gong movement
and is very supportive of the Trump administration produced a documentary
which is very much like propaganda but nevertheless contains facts that I have
divined from other sources.
and is very supportive of the Trump administration produced a documentary
which is very much like propaganda but nevertheless contains facts that I have
divined from other sources.
Just a day or so ago Stefan Molyneux for whom I had previously had some
grudging admiration for but has been doing some stellar work on the covid-19
question did a video of “the case against the CCP” which I found contained a lot
of information that was in the Epoch Times documentary but was far more
credible in my view.
grudging admiration for but has been doing some stellar work on the covid-19
question did a video of “the case against the CCP” which I found contained a lot
of information that was in the Epoch Times documentary but was far more
credible in my view.
Just today this video was put out by an American MD, Paul Breggin, which said
more-or-less the same thing.
more-or-less the same thing.
The one thing that was missing was to factor in any involvement by the Deep
State in the West. To his credit, Molyneux included in his report what was then
very fresh news that America had given millions of dollars as a grant to the
Wuhan laboratory to investigate a bat virus.
State in the West. To his credit, Molyneux included in his report what was then
very fresh news that America had given millions of dollars as a grant to the
Wuhan laboratory to investigate a bat virus.
The latest news is that the United States has decided to actively investigate the
involvement of the Wuhan laboratory.
involvement of the Wuhan laboratory.
Based on all this I have decided to come down on the side that this was an
accidental release from the Wuhan laboratory of an extremely dangerous
bioengineered virus that contained genetic material from a bat SARS virus as
well as from the coronavirus that made the virus more infective and more
dangerous than would otherwise be the case. It also came from a project that
Bill Gates and the Faucis and many others were involved in meaning that these
people were complicit in.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-launches-full-scale-investigation-
wuhan-lab
This has just come out today:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-man-made-virus-hiv-discoverer-says-
could-only-have-been-created-lab
The lockdowns and the Bill Gates
vaccination agenda
accidental release from the Wuhan laboratory of an extremely dangerous
bioengineered virus that contained genetic material from a bat SARS virus as
well as from the coronavirus that made the virus more infective and more
dangerous than would otherwise be the case. It also came from a project that
Bill Gates and the Faucis and many others were involved in meaning that these
people were complicit in.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-launches-full-scale-investigation-
wuhan-lab
This has just come out today:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-man-made-virus-hiv-discoverer-says-
could-only-have-been-created-lab
The lockdowns and the Bill Gates
vaccination agenda
The other aspect of this which is being covered up by the media and painted as
bad behaviour by Trump is the role of the World Health Organisation (WHO) in
this. People forget very quickly that governments all over the world sat on their
hands for many weeks, allowing the virus to spread until the WHO declared a
pandemic in March - something which changed the whole narrative on a dime.
bad behaviour by Trump is the role of the World Health Organisation (WHO) in
this. People forget very quickly that governments all over the world sat on their
hands for many weeks, allowing the virus to spread until the WHO declared a
pandemic in March - something which changed the whole narrative on a dime.
Prior to that we were told it was “racist” to close borders or stop flights from
China. The WHO put a lot of effort into telling the world to keep the world flying
and keep the borders open.
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/who-chief-urges-
countries-not-close-borders-foreigners-china?fbclid=IwAR0TXiUZx3qomfGHkF5nb
_SD2ro9IFoMJkOFQHetYrV4tnAYM4YKRG0s9NU
Nancy Pelosi was admonishing people to “come on down to Chinatown” and
people in Italy were hugging people from China
.
Governments that did take action (and the NZ government was one) were
subject to criticism (and who knows what threats) by the representatives of the
Chinese communist government.
China. The WHO put a lot of effort into telling the world to keep the world flying
and keep the borders open.
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/who-chief-urges-
countries-not-close-borders-foreigners-china?fbclid=IwAR0TXiUZx3qomfGHkF5nb
_SD2ro9IFoMJkOFQHetYrV4tnAYM4YKRG0s9NU
Nancy Pelosi was admonishing people to “come on down to Chinatown” and
people in Italy were hugging people from China
.
Governments that did take action (and the NZ government was one) were
subject to criticism (and who knows what threats) by the representatives of the
Chinese communist government.
After all the governments fell into line and bought the new “Party line” from the
WHO Trump was the one major world leader who was in denial about the
pandemic and has been roundly (and correctly) condemned for his denial and
early inaction.
WHO Trump was the one major world leader who was in denial about the
pandemic and has been roundly (and correctly) condemned for his denial and
early inaction.
However, as with every 180 degree change in Party line the entirety of the media
suffers from collective amnesia and forgets the facts that point to the WHO
repeating CCP talking points and criminally allowing the virus to spread round
the world.
suffers from collective amnesia and forgets the facts that point to the WHO
repeating CCP talking points and criminally allowing the virus to spread round
the world.
Once the WHO changed its tune and declared a pandemic things changed very
quickly and many governments, which had sat on their hands, started to
announce various degrees of lockdown - arguably one of the most draconian
regulations came out of the New Zealand government and I have been talking
about the iniquities of the bureaucratically-mandated rules that look set to
destroy much business (especially small business). These faceless bureaucrats
appear to have made decisions whereby they have decided which businesses
will survive (are “essential”) and those that will not - such as butchers,
greengrocers and the like.
quickly and many governments, which had sat on their hands, started to
announce various degrees of lockdown - arguably one of the most draconian
regulations came out of the New Zealand government and I have been talking
about the iniquities of the bureaucratically-mandated rules that look set to
destroy much business (especially small business). These faceless bureaucrats
appear to have made decisions whereby they have decided which businesses
will survive (are “essential”) and those that will not - such as butchers,
greengrocers and the like.
At the same time, in other countries it is seemingly OK for people to crowd
together on mass transport but it is illegal to go for a solitary walk with one’s
dog on the Moors. In this country people are under total lockdown while, as of a
week ago, the government had still not shut off entry through airports.
together on mass transport but it is illegal to go for a solitary walk with one’s
dog on the Moors. In this country people are under total lockdown while, as of a
week ago, the government had still not shut off entry through airports.
Questions are being asked about the economic costs of the shutdown
compared to the costs of the virus ripping through the population. I have noticed
that the very people who have been warning of the dangers of the
virus/bioweapon) - people such as Hal Turner, the Health Ranger and the team
at TruNews - have largely changed their tune and are now talking about the
dangers of anti-constitutional and illegal actions of governments at imposing
draconian lockdowns in areas where the dangers of the virus are too small to
justify this.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-17-government-tyranny-is-far-more-
dangerous-than-covid-19.html
compared to the costs of the virus ripping through the population. I have noticed
that the very people who have been warning of the dangers of the
virus/bioweapon) - people such as Hal Turner, the Health Ranger and the team
at TruNews - have largely changed their tune and are now talking about the
dangers of anti-constitutional and illegal actions of governments at imposing
draconian lockdowns in areas where the dangers of the virus are too small to
justify this.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-17-government-tyranny-is-far-more-
dangerous-than-covid-19.html
A lot of talk which may have given many people cause to thought was
statements from Bill Gates and reflected by others that the lockdown should
remain in place until a vaccine for covid-19 has been found and those who have
had the disease and recovered should be issued with an electronic passport
allowing them to participate in economic and other activities.
statements from Bill Gates and reflected by others that the lockdown should
remain in place until a vaccine for covid-19 has been found and those who have
had the disease and recovered should be issued with an electronic passport
allowing them to participate in economic and other activities.
Right now, I am wondering how this squares with the latest information out today
that it is by no means clear that people are developing immunity to the virus, still
less “herd immunity”.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/04/coronavirus-being-infected-
with-covid-19-might-not-give-you-immunity-who.html?fbclid=IwAR30rkcZva
WTH2KB1MM82a7r3Y_IqddCHfqczlHPNfTo1PmhbnY2ltzwds0
CONTRARIAN ARGUMENTS
that it is by no means clear that people are developing immunity to the virus, still
less “herd immunity”.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/04/coronavirus-being-infected-
with-covid-19-might-not-give-you-immunity-who.html?fbclid=IwAR30rkcZva
WTH2KB1MM82a7r3Y_IqddCHfqczlHPNfTo1PmhbnY2ltzwds0
CONTRARIAN ARGUMENTS
All of this brings me to the other arguments that have led followers to say that
this virus is a fraud.
this virus is a fraud.
In one sense this is true in that this is not a virus caused zoonotically from bats.
I have gone from dismissing such opinions as nonsensical to a recognition that
these people ARE bringing up valid points that have to be taken into
consideration if you want to get to the truth.
these people ARE bringing up valid points that have to be taken into
consideration if you want to get to the truth.
I had been aware of Dr. Shiva Ayyuadurai whose videos have been making
their way around the internet. However, it was not until last night that I decided to
listen to him in the form of a discussion with Stefan Molyneux.
their way around the internet. However, it was not until last night that I decided to
listen to him in the form of a discussion with Stefan Molyneux.
The result was that I was given further insights into the whole puzzle.
He talked about the nature of science and how open debate is stifled by the
atmosphere in academic institutions and scientists (yes, SCIENTISTS!) who
hold views that go against the ruling dogma are denied funding and access to
scientific publications.
atmosphere in academic institutions and scientists (yes, SCIENTISTS!) who
hold views that go against the ruling dogma are denied funding and access to
scientific publications.
He also had some very apposite comments on the nature of the immune system
and pointed out that the orthodox medical fraternity as well as those who are
pushing vaccination (the Gates’ and the Fauci’s) are coming from an outdated
understanding of the immune system.
and pointed out that the orthodox medical fraternity as well as those who are
pushing vaccination (the Gates’ and the Fauci’s) are coming from an outdated
understanding of the immune system.
All of this is something that I have understood from the days of my practice of
Chinese medicine and talks to medical doctors who seem to have no idea of all
of this. Some doctors are making dangerous claims on social media that it is
IMPOSSIBLE (sic) to do anything to boost the immune system. We are all,
according to this all just sitting ducks and we have to leave it to fate or a vaccine
that is going to ‘save’ us all.
Chinese medicine and talks to medical doctors who seem to have no idea of all
of this. Some doctors are making dangerous claims on social media that it is
IMPOSSIBLE (sic) to do anything to boost the immune system. We are all,
according to this all just sitting ducks and we have to leave it to fate or a vaccine
that is going to ‘save’ us all.
I highly recommend that you watch the video right through but I want to address
one specific point.
one specific point.
We hear constantly about covid-19 tests and I have wondered for a while just
what the tests were. I have asked the question and never got an answer.
what the tests were. I have asked the question and never got an answer.
So it was of special interest to me to hear David Icke talk about this near the
beginning of his censored interview with Brian Rose of London Real. I did not
totally trust his explanations because I could not find anything to back up his
claims until I came across Dr. Ayyadurai's comments, above.
https://londonreal.tv/the-truth-behind-the-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-19-
lockdown-the-economic-crash-david-icke/
beginning of his censored interview with Brian Rose of London Real. I did not
totally trust his explanations because I could not find anything to back up his
claims until I came across Dr. Ayyadurai's comments, above.
https://londonreal.tv/the-truth-behind-the-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-19-
lockdown-the-economic-crash-david-icke/
The essence of what he was saying is that the testing we are hearing about is
not an antibody test against the actual virus but what is called a RT-PCR tests
which I understand is a qualititative, not a quantitative test and picks up
material from coronavirus that could conceivably already be in our bodies.What I
take from all this is that there are questions that need to be asked and
that “top-down’ explanations from science orthodoxy are not to be taken at face not an antibody test against the actual virus but what is called a RT-PCR tests
which I understand is a qualititative, not a quantitative test and picks up
material from coronavirus that could conceivably already be in our bodies.What I
take from all this is that there are questions that need to be asked and
value.
This does not imply in any way that this novel coronavirus is a ‘fraud’ but that the
whole narrative (which is a complete inversion of the previous one) needs to be
open to question.
whole narrative (which is a complete inversion of the previous one) needs to be
open to question.
In the meantime various people have asked if I am going to have a flu vaccine.
To those people my answer is definitive and simple - OVER MY DEAD BODY!
To those people my answer is definitive and simple - OVER MY DEAD BODY!
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