For
the sake of discussion, here is some discussion between Michael Green
and Pepe Escobar.
Discussing
Sergei Glazyev
Michael Green: Yes, well, I can see why the Saker and Pepe Escobar are asking this embarrassing question. After all, Glazyev presented 180 degrees out of phase from Putin in this piece. He even mentioned Nazis, which Putin, with his usual nod to the principle of gentlemanly comity, almost never does. A more honest way of framing the question, therefore, is not whether Glazyev was right. But, rather, why they were so wrong.
Let's
look at that, shall we? In trying to install its missile batteries in
the Ukraine, America and NATO showed us their overall strategic plan.
The missiles, when launched, would take mere minutes (seconds?) to
get to Moscow, which is 400-500 miles away. That would mean the
Russians would have to make the fateful decision to retaliate in just
three minutes, maybe even less. Why would anyone take that risk?
For
one reason only, which would be to launch a first strike. There is no
other reason possible, unless they were insane. This was not a random
or insane strategy, however. It was bold and calculated. It relied on
Putin to be Putin. We don't have to like our enemies to respect their
daring or strategic skill on the grand chessboard. How reckless a
move was it? It wasn't all that reckless, as long as Putin dithered
and remained in character.
Unlike
Pepe and the Saker, my confidence in Putin remains at an all time
low. We saw where that led just recently, when he turned his back on
the Ukraine. Things recently changed, yes, but America is now trying
to insert a wedge between the separatists in the SE and Russia
itself. Part of it, we know, will involve treachery and false flags.
Back
to reality, however. When this presentation by Glazyev was first
published several weeks ago, I thought it was right on the money. For
what it's worth, I still do.
Pepe
Escobar: Michael Green - exceptional good points. I'll be
deconstructing Glazyev before I write my next piece. And yes, I was
underestimating how spot on he is - especially after I had some DC
feedback.
Off
Pepe Escobar's timeline:
PE:
Michael Green - exceptional good points. I'll be deconstructing
Glazyev before I write my next piece. And yes, I was underestimating
how spot on he is - especially after I had some DC feedback.
MG:
Thank you, Pepe. I didn't mean to "paint it black" with an
infinitely wide brush, however. Mostly, I love your articles and your
wit/analytics. You're my go-to person on any number of things. You
have, however, likened Putin to the "Lao Tzu of Chess".
The
Russian energy deals notwithstanding, however, I still see the game
in the Ukraine as having been more a game of Chicken.
Putin
was damned if he did and damned if he didn't, so he mostly just
dithered and lost precious time and opportunity. Now, no one
suggested that he invade Kiev with tanks. The suggestion - and
Glazyev's too - was that Russia step-up and provide the Resistance
with appropriate weapons.
The
few weapons the SE had until recently were assuredly not from Russia,
even if the Saker suggested that they were. Here, I'm relying on what
Streklov himself said. (As the leader of the SE forces, I'd deem him
to be much more reliable than the Saker.)
Now,
I get that you are waiting for Russia to do something after all these
false flags, but as long as Putin does it tacitly and covertly -
skulking around even in mentioning the word "Nazis" - he
will have lost the real game that's being played.
What's
particularly worrisome, since a lot of people have justified Putin's
actions based on their fear of WW III, is that no one in the West
takes Putin seriously any more. Consider the fact that the doctrine
of MAD (mutually assured destruction) worked as a deterrent force
only if one knew about the military capability of the other side and
ALSO believed in its willingness to use it.
No
one much believes in Putin's willingness to act along those lines any
more, and people are walking all over him. He recently sent Syria a
batch of ground to ship missiles. Then Israel LEAKED that it bombed
that shipment, ostensibly in a test to see what Putin would do. He
did nothing, of course, and predictably, the sarin false flag was
raised within weeks. The same thing has happened in the Ukraine again
and again and again.
Putin
is very smart, to be sure, but he is no Glazyev. Putin, perhaps, is
much more like Neville Chamberlain. Has he finally had some kind of
epiphany? I dunno. This covert bullshit has to stop up and down the
line, however, come what may.
PE:
Michael, spot on on may layers. Putin's strategy, as I understood it
in May in St. Petersburg, was that he didn't want to burn any bridges
with Europe, business-wise. From now on this is about to change,
because he's seen how Washington is succeeding in manipulating the
poodles. Glazyev went Sex Pistols while Putin was trying a Barry
Manilow. No more.
MG:
Great metaphors as always, Pepe. I get the Barry Manilow part but the
Sex Pistols may be overstated. What I mostly want to know is how
Glazyev can be an "adviser" to Putin, when he appears to be
so much at odds with Putin. IF Glazyev overstated the danger, do you
suppose it might not be because Putin was radically underestimating
it? Again, why would the Americans be wanting to place missiles in
the Ukraine, just minutes from Moscow - giving it virtually no time
for a measured response - if not because of wanting a first strike
capability? Here, I think Glazyev is being a pragmatist, not a
testosterone-junkie. And, absolutely, Putin is Barry Manilow. There
is no changing one's character. As such, Putin is the Frog in that
famous parable. Definitely not the Scorpion.
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