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Boeing downing coverup: BBC report removed
Boeing downing coverup: BBC report removed
Tuszowanie
kraksy Boeinga: raport BBC usunięty
25
July, 2014
The BBC Russian
service" has deleted this story about the investigation
of the disaster Boeing in Ukraine, say bloggers
The attempt to work out how the Malaysian Boeing could be shot down near Donetsk, has led to a scandal. The management of the BBC has deleted a report its own correspondent from the site, in which she
refuted information of Americans and Ukrainians about the place,
where stood the "Buk", allegedly shot down the plane. In
addition, local residents told the reporter that they saw a fighter plane .
The BBC have censored a report for the first time, say
Russian bloggers.
"The
document is not available"
"The
BBC tells the truth, wow, I'm surprised"
The report
by correspondent of BBC Russian service Olga Ivishina about
the her search of the place where, according to statements of American
and Ukrainian representatives, the "BUK" of Donetsk
militias shoud be, apparently, will never see the light of day,. The subject on which she posted link on her microblog on Twitter soon after the publication, has been
removed.
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On
the BBC website if you search for Ivshina's material you will find:
"unfortunately, the requested document is not available".
And: "it is possible that the page you are looking for has been
moved, updated or deleted".
"Video
Deleted Youtube ," write the users of the
service.
In
the report of Olga Ivshyna interviews residents of Donetsk
villages who claim that they saw Boeing combat aircraft in the sky shortly before the crash. And it is the fighter, in their opinion,
could shoot down a passenger airliner. Two women, in particular, reported that the passenger aircraft flew a little higher, and the fighter
just below. And then the bombs exploded.
The
correspondent also cites the comment of the Ukrainian side, which
insists that Boeing was hit by a complex "Buk", who arrived
from Russia."The system, which was shot down the plane arrived
to Ukraine early in the morning on July 17. It was delivered by truck
to the city of Donetsk, and then redeployed in the column of military
vehicles in the area of the town of Torez, Snezhnoye, Pervomaiskoye", -
told the head of counter-intelligence Department of the security
service of Ukraine Vitaly Naida.
The
SBU also released photos and videos, which, in its opinion, prove
that Boeing was hit by a missile, "BUK". However Ivshina,
wanting to check out these "proofs" of places traversed (buy vehiocle as well as on foot) all the nearby fields, but could not find any traces of these
systems.
The
journalist compared the photo next to Thorez with photos provided by the SBU,
found the same relief and a group of trees and came to the conclusion
that the smoke allegedly from a missile launch, spoke of the
Ukrainian side could have come from two other sources. Approximately in
the same place there is the memorial complex Saur-Grave, where there has been constant fighting as well as a coal mine.
The
reporter also spoke with local people on the ruins of one of the
houses in the nearby town of Snezhnoye. The people interviewed had not seen any BUK system. Thus, a commander of a local militia Sergey Godovanets said
that Ukrainian fighters repeatedly covered by civil aircraft, in
particular when they bombed Slavyansk.
A militiaman admitted that if they had had a weapon capable of shooting down a fighter
jet at high altitude, they would have tried to do it, but it is not
there.
We
should add that in the comments Olga Ivshina's Twitter page, internet
users asked if she'd seen in LiveJournal the
analysis that "the exact location of missile launch is
determined by the geolocation of residents".
She
replied that had seen nothing, either in that place, or in several other,
coordinates of which were specified in the Internet. There were "clean
field, without a trace ".
She
also made a photo: "I have searched with a toothcomb. There is nothing within a radius
of 2 km"
.
On
the page of Olga Twitter emphasizes that she is a BBC journalist, but her blog reflects just her personal position".
Note
that the BBC is considered one of the best public broadcasters in Europe, as well as a national treasure in the UK. The
Corporation does not depend on the government, and advertising on its
channel (excluding broadcast abroad) is prohibited.The BBCis financed by tax, which is paid annually all Britons who have access to
television. It's called a "TV licence" .
Currently, the annual amount of this tax is 145,50 pounds, that is,
on average, about 12 pounds per month. For evasion from payment of
taxes to a fine, There is a fine of up to 1 thousand pounds for evasion of payment. As far as censorship is concerned the BBC positions itself as impartial and as being independent
from any authorities, or from anyone the source of information.
However, there are sseveral points connected with the manifestation of
censorship, nonetheless. So, in 2005 the TV station has entered
restrictions on airing violence reported Reuters. After this violent
scenes were cut out of programmes, and the stories started to go with a delay of two
seconds so that the editor had the opportunity to make corrections.
It was also decided that the journalistic investigation will be
conducted only after obtaining approval from the leadership of the
channel, and information obtained in investigations should be
subject to and comprehensive and all-round verification of the editors". Not
all employees of the Corporation was then satisfied, they even went on strike. Thus employees could be sacked for any violations of corporate standards representatives
of the BBC . In November 2012 the head of the Corporation George Entwhistle resigned .
The reason was the scandal that erupted after the program Newsnight which accused a high-ranking politician was mistakenly accused of pedophilia.
"Due
to the fact that the Director General is the chief editor and
ultimately responsible for the content of all programs, and subject
to unacceptable journalistic standards, I considered it a point of
honour to resign from his post of General Director of", - has
declared then Entail.
On
this occasion in the UK was a big hype, the situation was commented
by politicians and journalists. It was said that it is necessary to
restore public trust in the broadcaster.
Let's
add, that well-known blogger Konstantin Rykov wrote on Twitter in that "for the first time in the history of
the BBC material is removed by the editors".
"By
the standards of the UK for this editor would be dismissed".
Rather, should be, but will not, because of the current
political realities.
"It
is clear that he would not be dismissed, but should," wrote Rykov.
Disputes
and fraud
 |
Let's
remind ourselvces that the, representatives of different countries continue to argue
about who was resposnible for shooting down the passenger Boeing near Donetsk last Thursday night. U.S. State Department spokesman Marie
Harf again confirmed the
position of the Americans was that Ukraine could not have done it.
"The
Russians said that the Ukrainian aircraft Su-25 could shoot down the
vessel with an "air-to-air" missile. We do not believe that such an attack is possible," she was reported as saying through RIA
"Novosti".
"Pictures
of the wreck show damage, corresponding to damage from an "air-ground" missile. It is not correspond to
the picture of the damage that we could see from an "air-air" missile,
as claimed by Russians," added Harf.
Besides,
according to her, the Ukrainian system "Buk" could not
shoot down the plane, because "he was far beyond reach".
However,
last Monday the Ministry of defense of Russia presented objective, which shows the the presumed site of the shooting down of the Malaysian Boeing falls into to a zone of bombardment it is owned by
the army of Ukraine Buk". In addition, next to the passenger
aircraft was really noticed the Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft.
"The
militia said that Ukrainian fighters repeatedly covered civil
aircraft"
They accuse Russia of supplying arms to militias. At the same time,
Washington, by his own admission, has
no no
evidence linking Russia to the crash, in particular of the transfer of a Buk missile sytem from the territory of the Russian Federation.As reported by the newspaper reported ВЗГЛЯД, the USA cannot opnely fabricate satellite reconnaissance history data with
Boeing, because they understand that Russia has its own information
about the zone of the tragedy.. Therefore, the Americans' people in Kiev are working their
people in the Ukraine to fabricate and
spread various forms of "evidence".
Among
speculation about the catastrophe of the plane you can remember the stir created globally by public allegations of the head of the
information centre of the NSDC of Ukraine Andriy Lysenko, that the
Russian military were working on the crash site "disguised as
civilians."
Lysenko
also claimed that
militias were allegedly using the credit cards of the victims and
collecting the personal valuables of the dead. Ukrainian journalist
Anatoly Shariy found that
on the basis of these anecdotes and media reports, and disregardins statemeents from the Credit Card Association of the Dutch banks has taken measures so that money could not be withdrawn.
After that, the media has picked up the statement of the Association,
and gave everything so that banks reported the theft of cards that
actually was not proven.
"This
is called the cycle "surge". A simple example: I declare
that Lysenko robbed a pensioner. This is reported by the media. The
Association of protection of the rights of pensioners will know from
the media that Lysenko robbed the pensioner, and makes a statement
that they are ready to cover all the costs of a pensioner robbed by Lysenko. . After that, the media relay the statement of
this Association. An average reader understands that just because the
Association is not going to make a statement. So, Lysenko still
unclean," explained Share.
Experts have repeatedly pointed out the leaders of Ukraine and West are operating with pseudopackage around
the collapse of the Malaysian Boeing, and before that said
repeatedly experts Material from the the Internet and allegedly -intercepted negotiations militias
already gave rise to the first persons of Ukraine and other
countries, primarily the USA, blaming the incident of militias and
Russia. While politicians the world over aren't worries in the slightest that this "evidence" is based on unproven
and even grossly falsified facts.
So,
on the Security Service of Ukraine's website announced the export back to Russia of the BUK systems, illustrated
with photographs, made back in March, with the clear insignia of the Ukrainian army.
In
addition, Ukrainian journalist denounced
false about
marauding militias. Another photo where one of the soldiers saw the
ring that belonged to the passengers of the crashed Boeing was Ukrainian, which the Western media tried to present as looting
Donetsk militias, according to RT.
In the media : "Terrorists who are on the place of the crash of the
Boeing 777, not only hinder the work of the rescuers, but also not
afraid to steal the dead passengers of the plane".
However,
it was then found video, screenshot which became a scandalous photo. It
shows that the soldier has not picked up the ring and threw it in a
box with other small items. In the recording it is obvious that the militiaman did
not take away the deceased's personal effects, but gathered tehm up in order to ensure their
safety.
Let's
remind ourselves that, on July 17, in the east of Ukraine the Malsysian Airlines Boeing 777, which was flying
from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed. There were 298
persons on board the liner. They
all died.
Catastrophe of #MH17: BBC
in the Search of the “#BUK”
– The Video Report
Censored by BBC
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov
Note: Videos & a PDF of the Google Web-cache Have Been Preserved and Are Available Upon Request
Vineyard of the Saker,
25
July, 2014
Preamble:
Why did the BBC delete this report by Olga Ivshina? Is it because
the BBC team was unable to find any evidence that a rocket was
launched in the area that the Ukrainian Security Service (“SBU”)
alleges to be the place from which the Novorossiya Militia launched
a “BUK” missile?
Or is it because every eyewitness interviewed by the BBC team specifically indicated the presence of Ukrainian military aircraft right beside the Malaysian Airlines Boeing MH17 at the time that it was shot down?
Or is it because of eyewitness accounts (like the one posted following the transcript of the BBC report) confirming that the Ukrainian air force regularly used civilian aircraft flying over Novorossiya as human shields to protect its military aircraft conducting strikes against civilian population from the Militia’s anti-aircraft units?
I reserve the final judgment to the readers of this blog. This entry is broken down into:
Or is it because every eyewitness interviewed by the BBC team specifically indicated the presence of Ukrainian military aircraft right beside the Malaysian Airlines Boeing MH17 at the time that it was shot down?
Or is it because of eyewitness accounts (like the one posted following the transcript of the BBC report) confirming that the Ukrainian air force regularly used civilian aircraft flying over Novorossiya as human shields to protect its military aircraft conducting strikes against civilian population from the Militia’s anti-aircraft units?
I reserve the final judgment to the readers of this blog. This entry is broken down into:
- introductory paragraphs to the BBC video report;
- English-language transcript of the BBC video report; and,
- a video interview with Elena, a Militia fighter, recorded in Slavyansk on or about June 18, 2014, or one month prior to the MH17 catastrophe, wherein she states that, even then, the Ukrainian military aircraft would customarily hide behind civilian aircraft to bomb civilian targets on the ground.
In
the last part of this entry Elena predicts that the Ukrainian
military will stage the horrible catastrophe like the MH17 crash -
she makes this prediction one whole month prior to the
disaster.
Video: The Catastrophe of #MH17: #BBC in the Search of the “#BUK”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8sjMWhl-4
Original BBC Video Report: Preserved by Google Web-cache
Introductory Paragraphs to the BBC Video Report
The “black boxes” of the crashed Malaysian Boeing have finally been transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from Russia.
The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile.
BBC reporter Olga Ivshina and producer Oksana Vozhdayeva decided to find the place from which the missile was allegedly launched.
Transcript of the BBC Video Report
DPR Representative: Here it is.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The black boxes from the crashed Boeing are finally being transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …
Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.
Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.
Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from the direction of Russia.
Vitaliy Naida, Department of Counterintelligence of SBU [Ukrainian Security Service]: This was a BUK M1 system from which the aircraft was shot down. It came to Ukraine early in the morning on the 17th of July. It was delivered by a tow truck to the city of Donetsk. After that, it was redeployed from Donetsk, as part of a column of military equipment, to the area of the city of Torez, to the area of Snezhnoye, to the area of Pervomaisk.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile. We attempted to verify these photographs and information at the location.
One of the photographs showed a landscape not far from the city of Torez, on which smoke could be seen coming from the presumed location of the missile’s launch. We attempted to find this location, and it appears that we were successful.
We are now on the outskirts of the city of Torez. Behind me, approximately five kilometres away, is the city of Snezhnoye. And the landscape here matches the landscape that we can see on the photograph published by the Ukrainian Security Service.
To find the place from which the smoke was allegedly coming from, we adopted as markers these three poplars and the group of trees. Presumably, this is the place that can be seen on the photograph published by the SBU. And here are our markers: the three solitary poplars and the small group of trees in the distance.
The smoke that can be seen on the photograph came from somewhere over there [pointing behind her], behind my back. The SBU believes that this is a trace coming from the launch of a “BUK” missile.
However, it must be noted that there are here, approximately in the same place, the Saur-Mogila memorial, near which the fighting continues almost unabated, and a coalmine. It turns out that the smoke with the same degree of probability could have been coming from any of these locations.
Having circled around the nearby fields, we were unable to find any traces of a missile launch. Nor did the local inhabitants that we encountered see any “BUK” either.
At the ruins of an apartment building in the city of Snezhnoye, the topic of the jet fighters that may have been escorting civilian aircraft comes up again. A bomb dropped from above took away the lives of eleven civilians here.
Sergey Godovanets, Commander of the Militia of the city of Snezhnoye: They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The commander of the local militia emphasizes that they have no weaponry capable of shooting down a jet fighter [flying] at a significant height. However, he says that if such weaponry were to appear, they would have tried to.
Sergey Godovanets: If we know that it is not a civilian aircraft, but a military one, then – yes.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: So, could the Boeing have been shot down by the militias that had mistaken it for a military aircraft? There is as yet no unequivocal confirmation of either this or any other version [of what took place]. The international experts are just beginning their work with the information obtained from the crashed airliner. It now appears that it is difficult to overstate the importance of this investigation. Olga Ivshina, BBC.
Militia Elena: Ukrainian Military Planes Hide Behind Civilian Airliners
Video: Recorded at least one month prior to MH17 Crash, published with ENG subs on June 18, 2014
Note: Pay close attention starting at 01:10
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