U.S.
the New Saudi Arabia? Peak Oilers Scoff
The
U.S. is set to increase oil production so much that it will overtake
Saudi Arabia and become the world’s biggest producer by around
2017, the International Energy Agency said today.
12
November, 2012
The
reaction from “peak oil” theorists? Not a chance. They continue
to argue that the surge in U.S. production coming from shale oil and
shale gas is a flash in the pan. Before long, they say, U.S. output
will start falling again—as will global output. The price of oil
will skyrocket and the industrial economy will be brought to its
knees, they argue.
I
first reached Kjell Aleklett in Sweden. He’s president of the
Association for the Study of Peak Oil and a physics professor at
Uppsala University. Aleklett acknowledged that peak oil theorists
didn’t predict the U.S. output increase, but he said the jump
doesn’t undermine their main case. “We were wrong that it was not
possible for the U.S. [production] to swing back again. But we don’t
know how high the swing will be,” Aleklett said.
“The
shale production we are talking about now relies on thousands of
wells drilled every year. If the drilling capacity should go down, or
for some reason it becomes too expensive, then the production will go
down very fast,” Aleklett said.
What’s
more, he said, the U.S. success is not being duplicated in other
countries. In densely populated Europe, Aleklett said, the best shale
happens to be beneath the city of Paris, making it off-limits to
production (unless the Eiffel Tower is converted into a production
platform).
Aleklett
also pointed out that the U.S. Energy Department’s own outlook
contradicts that of the Paris-based International Energy Agency. In
2035, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration,
imports of crude oil, liquid fuels, and other petroleum, plus natural
gas will still total about 24 quadrillion BTUs a year, nearly triple
the level of exports.
Mark
your calendar, by the way: Aleklett said the next meeting of the
Association for the Study of Peak Oil is in Austin, Tex., on Nov. 30
and Dec. 1.
I
then reached Jeremy Leggett, a British solar energy entrepreneur who
is chairman of a company called Solarcentury and who writes about
energy issues, including peak oil. His talking points were more
polished than Aleklett’s, but he hit the same arguments. Like the
Swede, he said he doesn’t think production from unconventional
sources such as shale is sustainable for long.
“On
the massive balance of probabilities, not withstanding the U.S.
phenomenon, there’s going to be a descent of global production and
much higher prices, by 2015 at the latest,” Leggett said.
I
asked him if it’s harder for him to persuade people now than it was
before the surprising resurgence in U.S. output. Yes, he said. “It’s
a comfortable narrative, and people are desperate to believe
comfortable narratives. It has set back the perception of the risk.”
Dependence on oil and gas, said Leggett, “will blow up in our
face.”
Great
comment!
Twenty
rats were in a barrel. One of them (a mathematician) plotted the
rise
in population, and wisely pointed out that exponential growth rates
are
unsustainable.
The other rats laughed and scorned. “Nonsense!” they cried,
“we’ll always find a way to sustain ourselves. The great rat in
the sky put us here and commanded us to multiply and replenish the
barrel!”
Time
passed. Now there were 100 rats in the barrel.
Thanks
to advances in rat science there were new discoveries in antibiotics
and food production. Rat civil engineers had developed new ways to
cram more and more rats into the remaining space. The rats prospered
and
wrote
magazine articles about how to increase production and consumption.
The
mathematician was getting old, the rat population topped 1000. He
warned them again: “exponential growth is not sustainable.” The
rats
scoffed,
and said “you have no credibility – we’ve been breading like
rats and
we’re
doing just fine. Go away, we don’t believe in your silly
mathematics – we are smart, and can breed like rats, and nothing
bad will ever happen.”
Now
there were ten thousand rats. The infrastructure was wearing thin.
All those rats in...
Shale
Gas Will be the Next Bubble to Pop - An Interview with Arthur Berman
12
November, 2012
The
“shale revolution” has been grabbing a great deal of headlines
for some time now. A favourite topic of investors, sector
commentators and analysts – many of whom claim we are about to
enter a new energy era with cheap and abundant shale gas leading the
charge. But on closer examination the incredible claims and figures
behind many of the plays just don’t add up. To help us to look past
the hype and take a critical look at whether shale really is the
golden goose many believe it to be or just another over-hyped bubble
that is about to pop, we were fortunate to speak with energy expert
Arthur Berman.
Arthur
is a geological consultant with thirty-four years of experience in
petroleum exploration and production. He is currently consulting for
several E&P companies and capital groups in the energy sector.
He frequently gives keynote addresses for investment conferences and
is interviewed about energy topics on television, radio, and
national print and web publications including CNBC, CNN, Platt’s
Energy Week, BNN, Bloomberg, Platt’s, Financial Times, and New
York Times. You can find out more about Arthur by visiting his
website:
In
the interview Arthur talks about:
•
Why
shale gas will be the next bubble to pop
• Why Japan can’t afford to abandon nuclear power
• Why the United States shouldn’t turn its back on Canada’s tar sands
• Why renewables won’t make a meaningful impact for many years
• Why the shale boom will not have a big impact on foreign policy
• Why Romney and Obama know next to nothing about fossil fuel energy
• Why Japan can’t afford to abandon nuclear power
• Why the United States shouldn’t turn its back on Canada’s tar sands
• Why renewables won’t make a meaningful impact for many years
• Why the shale boom will not have a big impact on foreign policy
• Why Romney and Obama know next to nothing about fossil fuel energy
Interview
conducted by James Stafford of Oilprice.com
Oilprice.com: How
do you see the shale boom impacting U.S. foreign policy?
Arthur
Berman: Well,
not very much is my simple answer.
A
lot of investors from other parts of the world, particularly the
oil-rich parts have been making somewhat high-risk investments in
the United States for many years and, for a long time, those
investments were in real estate.
Now
these people have shifted their focus and are putting cash into
shale. There are two important things going on here, one is that the
capital isn't going to last forever, especially since shale gas is a
commercial failure. Shale gas has lost hundreds of billions of
dollars and investors will not keep on pumping money into something
that doesn’t generate a return.
The
second thing that nobody thinks very much about is the decline rates
shale reservoirs experience. Well, I've looked at this. The decline
rates are incredibly high. In the Eagleford shale, which is supposed
to be the mother of all shale oil plays, the annual decline rate is
higher than 42%.
They're
going to have to drill hundreds, almost 1000 wells in the Eagleford
shale, every year, to keep production flat. Just for one play, we're
talking about $10 or $12 billion a year just to replace supply. I
add all these things up and it starts to approach the amount of
money needed to bail out the banking industry. Where is that money
going to come from? Do you see what I'm saying?
Oilprice.com: You've
been noted suggesting that shale gas will be the next bubble to
collapse. How do you think this will occur and what will the effects
be?
Arthur
Berman: Well,
it depends, as with all collapses, on how quickly the collapse
occurs. I guess the worst-case scenario would be that several large
companies find themselves in financial distress.
Chesapeake
Energy recently had a very close call. They had to sell, I don't
know how many, billions of dollars worth of assets just to maintain
paying their obligations, and that's the kind of scenario I'm
talking about. You may have a couple of big bankruptcies or
takeovers and everybody pulls back, all the money evaporates, all
the capital goes away. That's the worst-case scenario.
Oilprice.com: Energy
became a big part of the election race, but what did you make of the
energy policies and promises that were being made by both
candidates?
Arthur
Berman: Mitt
Romney, particularly, talked about how the United States would be
able to achieve energy independence in five years. Well, that's
garbage.
Anybody
who knows anything about oil, gas and coal, knows that that's
absurd. We were producing a little over 6 million barrels a day
thanks to an all-out effort in the shale oil play. We consume 15
million barrels of oil a day and that leaves the gap of 9 million
barrels per day. At the peak of U.S. production, in 1970, the U.S.
produced 10.6 million barrels per day. Like I said, either the guy
doesn't know what he's talking about, or is making a big joke of it.
Obama
didn’t talk so much . . . He's a hugely green agenda kind of
president and I'm not opposed to that, but he's certainly not for
the oil and gas business. It wasn't until he got serious about
thinking about his re-election that he decided to take credit for
what really happened.
Oilprice.com: Japan
recently announced that they are going to be phasing out nuclear
power. What are your views on nuclear? Are we in a position to
abandon this energy source?
Arthur
Berman: No.
Japan is a special case. The disaster at Fukushima, the nuclear
reactor, was right on top of a major fault. So, that was a dumb
place to put it.
To
wholesale abandon nuclear power because one reactor was incredibly
stupidly planned, to me seems like a bit of a . . . well, I can't
tell people how they should react, but if I were a Japanese citizen,
and the truth was that we have no oil, we have no coal, we have no
natural gas, the next question is, "Well, if we get rid of
nuclear, what are we going to do?"
It's
a really good question to ask. If you don't have anything of your
own, how are you going to get what you need? The answer is that they
have to import LNG and that's very expensive.
Right
now, natural gas is selling in Japan for $17 per million BTUs. You
can buy the same BTUs in Europe for $9 today, or in the US for $3.25
Oilprice.com: What
about Germany’s decision to also phase out nuclear power?
Arthur
Berman: For
Germany to abandon nuclear… that decision is truly delusional
because they haven't had any problems over there. Nor is Germany
particularly earthquake prone or tsunami prone. They have forced
themselves into a love relationship with Russia.
Oilprice.com: What
are your views on Canada's tar sands? Are they a rich source of oil
that the U.S. needs to exploit? Or do you think they're a carbon
bomb, which could do irreparable damage to the climate?
Arthur
Berman: Well,
that's a very good question. I suppose they're both, as are
virtually all things that burn. Right? They're a very rich source of
oil. And they're dirty. It requires a lot of natural gas heating to
convert them into some usable form, a lot of processing, but here's
the thing, if the United States doesn't buy that oil from Canada, do
you think Canada's just going to say, "Oh. Okay. Nevermind.
We'll forget about all this."
No.
They're going to sell it somewhere else. They'll probably sell it to
Asia. So, the issue of the carbon bomb doesn't get resolved by the
United States not taking the oil.
So,
to me, that's off the table. Yes. I think it's an incredibly
sensible play to get your oil from a neighbour, and a neighbour who
you trust, and it doesn't require overseas transport and probably
getting involved in periodic revolutions and civil uprisings.
Oilprice.com: Is
there any technology, any development you see coming in the future
that can help us get where we need to be? Is conservation really the
only answer or do you have any hopes for some of the alternative
energy technologies, such as solar or, even, some of these more
advanced technologies such as Andrea Rossi’s E-cat machine?
Arthur
Berman: Oh.
I have all the enthusiasm for technology that you could ask for. I'm
a scientist and I love technology but I heard a very good
presentation several years ago on your exact question and the man
who gave a talk said, "I'm going to give you a rule to live by.
If it's not on the shelf today, then a solution is no sooner than
ten years in the future." So, when you talk about E-cat and you
talk about algae and all this kind of stuff, it's not on the shelf
today. So, that means it's in some sort of pilot stage of testing.
Work
harder guys. Work harder and faster because you've got a lot of work
to do. So, yes, I'm enthusiastic. I think there are some great ideas
out there but I don't see any of them helping us in the coming five
to ten-year period.
Oilprice.com: Environmentalists
talk about the evil of fossil fuels, but have they really done their
research to see how vital it is to pretty much everything that we
base our modern lives upon?
Arthur
Berman: Well,
that's exactly right. My oldest son and his family until recently
lived in California, and in California people think electricity
comes from the wall. They don't have any idea that most of their
electricity comes from horrible coal-fired power plants in New
Mexico and Arizona. As long as they don't have to see it, they don't
have a problem.
But,
in this world, and in this life, we're all connected and if you see
something you don't like, there's a good possibility that whatever
they're doing there has something to do with something you're using.
So, this is an issue.
Oilprice.com: Arthur,
thank you for taking the time to speak with us. For those readers
who may be interested in contacting Arthur please take a moment to
visit his website: http://petroleumtruthreport.blogspot.com/
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