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NZ passes its gun control legislation prepared in advance

I do not have the energy to comment on this right now.

Gun law change: 'One of the most important pieces of legislation'

National Party MPs crossed the floor of Parliament to congratulate Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, and Police Minister Stuart Nash, after MPs voted near-unanimously to approve the government's gun ban last night.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern Photo: RNZ / Rebekah Parsons-King

RadioNZ,

11 April, 2019

Senior police officers and members of Mr Nash's staff were among the few people in the public gallery to witness the vote on the Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill, which outlaws most semi-automatics, magazines and parts that can be used to assemble prohibited firearms.

The bill, prompted by the massacre of 50 people in two Christchurch mosques on 15 March using semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines, was passed by 119 votes to one, just over a week after it was introduced.

The legislation is expected to be approved by the Governor-General today.

The prime minister began the debate over the final reading of the bill by telling MPs their vote would make the country safer.

She told them that by voting near-unanimously in favour of the bill they were doing the right thing for the victims of the 15 March massacre.

"We are ultimately here because 50 people died and they do not have a voice. We in this house are their voice and today Mr Speaker we have used that voice wisely," Ms Ardern said.

Labour Party MP Michael Wood chaired the select committee that considered the Arms Amendment Bill.

He acknowledged the gun owners who would be affected by the change in law but told Parliament it had to balance the competing rights of citizens.

"Every time we legislate in this house, we balance the rights of different citizens and different groups within our communities and on this occasion we say that the right of all New Zealanders to live peacefully and free from the terror that inflicted our country on the 15th of March is a more important right than the right to own these weapons."

Police Minister Stuart Nash told Morning Report the law change was game-changing.

"New Zealand will be a safer place once this is implemented and once we get these guns out of our communities," Mr Nash said.

He said it wasn't going to happen overnight, but that this was a start.

"The amount of time we are going to give gun owners to actually hand in their weapions is sufficient for people to do the right thing" - Police Minister Stuart Nash

Those who own illegal firearms were given an amnesty until 30 September to hand over the weapons to police.

Mr Nash said if anyone is found to be in possession of one of the illegal firearms after that date they could face up to five years in jail.

"I like to think the vast majority of Kiwis are good law-abiding citizens and both the prime minister and myself have made this very clear that we're not penalising these gun owners, but we have changed the law and as a consequence of that they are now holding something which is illegal."

Mr Nash said there are a number of ways to check that illegal firearms are being handed in, including checking gun dealers' records.

"Gun dealers have to hold five years worth of data. We can take a look at their records and we can determine where guns have been sold, who they've been sold to and we can follow through on that."

He said they all military-style semi-automatic weapon had to be registered and he can go through those to make sure they're all handed in.

Last night several MPs noted that Parliament had failed to pass tougher gun laws in the past.

Mark Patterson from New Zealand First said police and others had repeatedly tried to restrict semi-automatic rifles before and previous parliaments had failed to agree to gun law changes.

"This is not the time to point fingers but certainly for anyone who questions the process, how much process do you need? 

We have been too timid, we have paid the price," Mr Patterson said.

National MP Andrew Bayly said the bill was a moment for Parliament to act in unity and he hoped it would send the right message to the families of the 50 victims.

"To the families of our missing 50 and those who were injured, I trust you will look at us as an institution and say we delivered here today."

Green Party MP Golriz Ghahraman said Parliament must pass the bill because communities directly affected by the attacks such as Christchurch people and Muslim and refugee groups were afraid of further violence.

"We live not only with ongoing grief but also with very real fear," she said.

"As we walk our kids to school, as we catch a bus late at night, as we gather in our community hubs, we now live with the fear of mass violence and this house recognises that and the job of making New Zealand safe."

Judith Collins from the National Party said she was proud of Parliament and the legislation would have a lasting effect on New Zealand society.

"This is one of the most important pieces of legislation we will pass this Parliament because it's not only about keeping people safe, it's about putting a marker in the sand for our New Zealand culture."

The only dissenting voice was ACT's David Seymour who said rushing the bill through Parliament was political theatre.

"I am in support of changing our gun laws, but it is impossible for anyone of good conscience to support this bill, the way it's been brought about and the problems with it that will make our society more dangerous than we had on 15 March," he said.

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I would like to know if this quote is accurate. If it is it says something about Eugenie Sage. Shall we all use 1080 instead?

Conservation Minister Eugenie Sage said Federated Farmers' wishes would have undermined the purpose of the bill.

"We want to ensure we ban semi-automatic weapons. They have got no place in New Zealand.

"The 16,0000 people would have potentially been able to have semi-automatic weapons if Federated Farmers' views had prevailed."

http://www2.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=12220735

Rodney Hide weighs in on gun control

I had something to say on this yesterday. Now Rodney Hide puts in his 2 cents worth.

Sense and nonsense about gun control in New Zealand

The ACT Party has played a pretty tawdry role in NZ politics, especially over the John Key years. However, I find it difficult to disagree over the stance on euthanasia, and now gun control

Opinion: The other side of the gun lobby’s story
Rodney Hide

Via Facebook, Wed, 10 Apr 2019

Hidesight

I learned from news reports of gun lobbyist Mike Loder’s must-watch submission on the botched and rushed gun laws.

His 15-minute presentation drove National’s Judith Collins to make common cause with Labour's Michael Wood to smear Mr Loder as a gun-toting, terrorist-inciting, mad-man.

He clearly struck a nerve: MPs ganged up to shoot the messenger, desperate to ignore the message.

The news only reported the verbal abuse.

His presentation was entertaining; his report sobering.

Experience shows guns aren’t the best terrorist weapon: 9/11 (box cutters), Oklahoma City (nitrogen fertiliser plus solvent), 2016 Nice (truck). The terrorist wrote he knew this: he chose guns not to maximise death but to maximise the political response. He’s won that one.

There is also a serious problem with the police administering gun laws:

They have lost the details of 25,000 gun licensees when they swapped out their bespoke database.

They haven't followed up 6727 expired licences.

They have licenced 29 gang members.

They have licenced at least 1132 criminals from Australia including Peter James Edwards who had 53 convictions in Australia. He used his licence to buy 72 rifles and shotguns, which he cut down and added pistol grips and silencers. He filed off the serial numbers and sold them to criminals including patched members of the Headhunters gang.

Years later there’s still no data-checking with Australian police.

The problem is criminals, not law abiding gun owners. Ninety-nine percent of gun crime is committed by criminals without a gun licence. They are not bothered by policy or statute. Nine percent of all gang members have five or more gun convictions. One has 46. One has been caught with illegal guns nine separate times. There is little or no consequence.

Criminals will always have guns no matter what: They can smuggle them, they can make them, they can modify them and they can steal them. We have had machine gun murders in New Zealand with home-made guns.

Less than 8% of gun thieves are caught. Police treat gun theft no more seriously than any other theft. If miraculously caught, the punishment is typically a fine less than the value of the gun or a warning.

Ordinarily, an opposition would stand up to a government rushing hamfistedly to confiscate the property of responsible owners demonstrably not the problem.

No. The two old parties have made common cause against the interest of a great many law-abiding citizens and against the principles of parliamentary democracy.

The MPs simply abused Mr Loder. Ms Collins questioned whether he was a fit and proper person while Labour MP Michael Woodhouse attacked him for calling Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern a tyrant. He was prompted to do so when she laughed when asked whether she would be seeking public input.

The MPs didn’t contradict his facts. They offered no followup to his alarming testimony.

It's only going to get worse: Soon the police will be able to arrest Mr Loder for hate speech. How dare he call the prime minister a tyrant.

Rodney Hide

Sense and nonsense about gun control

OPINION

Sense and nonsense about gun control in New Zealand

Seemorerocks

I have had to totally reassess things several times over the last eight years and I am having to do so once again in the aftermath of the 15 March massacre in New Zealand.

It's a matter of who is acting decently and who is not.  Who is speaking the truth.

When I found this article from Martyn Bradbury from the Daily Blog last night my disgust knew no bounds.

Gunnuts should be under surveillance now

The more & more I read of the irrational, wilfully ignorant & down right malicious crap spouted by the NZ Gun Lobby

…the more & more convinced I am these folk should have been on Police & SIS radar from day bloody one rather than Māori, Muslims, Greenpeace, Environmentalists, the Green Party, the MANA Party & activists.

How far have we collectively allowed these gun fetishists to define the debate?…

And if you are a gun proponent who is now using violent language or imagery or words to insinuate threats then you should be under surveillance by our intelligence agencies.

Responsible farmers and hunters have nothing to fear here. Gun fetishists and violent extremists, (from all parts of the political spectrum), should openly know they will be under the obligation of extra surveillance and responsibility.

The atrocity in Christchurch has made us all question why weapons of such enormous violence were allowed to be accessed with such ease. If it costs a billion dollars to buy back and eradicate this tumour before it metastasises, then so be it.

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Is this from someone on the Left who is normally supposed to be an activist against spying and surveillance?  This is something that I have always supported. Now this individual in his campaign against "hate speech' is spewing forward hatred and vitriol against people he doesn't like.

Now we see that he is advocating the SIS and GCSB spying against gun nuts while at the same time saying they shouldn't have been spying on the Left.

The hypocrisy is truly epic.

While Bradbury has found a new-found support for the security organs that he presumably didn't have before another (ex)-friend put this out the day after the shooting asking people to come forward and act as snitches and informers.

My consternation went up a few notches when I discovered that the above had not been taken down (no second thoughts) and was still up on this person's timeline.

I can talk about these people because I have had personal experience with the communist movement in New Zealand in my youth - yes I was young and stupid!

What I can say is that for the 'comrades' truth is a movable feast and is highly relative and fully subservient with what suits the movement and 'democratic centralism'.  Once a person becomes 'inconvenient' and starts to follow their own conscience rather than the Party they are on the outside.

I have a vivid recollection of a conversation with a 'comrade' about what mansion they were going to confiscate and move into after the revolution.

It is clearly very possible for these people to make a quick transition to being an informer and snitch and basically support the move to a Stasi state.

Whilst I am not saying that these two individual are active communists but they are well-and-truly on the Left and obviously display the same characteristics.

In fact I would go so far as to say that this attitude goes across the board as is illustrated by the contention of some "philosopher" that if given the choice between the Truth and protecting human organisms (whatever he means by that!) he would choose that over the truth

Some of the discussion is about this 'gun nut' Mike Loder and his submission (one of the very few).

Whilst I do not agree with Mr. Loder about everything he says he does have some very salient points about the gun culture in New Zealand.



For what it is worth I do not think that the idea that the Jews inGermany were persecuted because of gun control. It soes not accord with my knowledge of history.

What I find totally obnoxious about this is the line of questioning from what I take to be a Labour MP (presumably because he had called Jacinda Adern a 'tyrant', especially accusing him of being a 'conspiracy theorist' for saying things that are pretty close to the truth.



This is the atmosphere of hatred that is coming from people on the Left. Apparently the PM set up a hotline so that people can do exactly what the person above exhorted people to do and its seems that is exactly what people have been doing which has meant that Vinny Eastwood has now had FIVE visits from the police now, something the cops were embarrassed about.

Does this look or sound like a white supremacist to you?!

Bradbury and a chorus of other voices have been saying that farmers, hunters and 'legitimate ' gun users have nothing to fear and the following police video seems to be saying.

But that is given the lie in this article quoting Federated Farmers who one would suspect would be supportive if all the propaganda and spin were true.

'It is completely illogical': Federated Farmers slams firearm recommendations

The ban would include farmers who currently use the firearms for pest control, however exemptions would be made for pest controllers engaged by the Department of Conservation, or by a management agency.

Federated Farmers is disappointed with the recommendations and said unless further changes are made, pests will be the winners and the environment will be the loser.

Rural Security spokesperson Miles Anderson said the Government has failed to deliver on its commitment to farmers and other major landowners that they would continue to have access to the firearms they need for effective animal pest control.

However, there have been stories about the police jumping the gun telling a young man that he was suddenly not stable enough to own an air rifle.

Former mayoral candidate says police took his guns because he 'supportsTrump'

There have been complaints from gun users about polices trolling social media or turning up at someone's workplace to ask them questions about the guns they have.

They are still discussing the legislation!

This was posted on the internet about police search and seizure

The following was posted somewhere on Facebook

"Magazine restrictions makes anything other than shotgun with more than 10 rounds prohibited. Collateral damage of legislation. Initillay was removable Magazines in Order in Council, but draft first round of prohibited says any magazine over 10, which by default includes the tube magazines. EVERY firearm owner needs to check all of the details as a huge number of firearms will be collateral damage."

This is the latest from the media. Clearly the government and their friends with their new-found love for the Stasi state don't intend to listen to anyone.

Think they are going to listen to Federate Farmers?

Think again!

This legislation was sitting there waiting and scarcely any time elapsed before the decision to announce gun control legislation.

Don't get me wrong. I am not in favour of machine guns being out there. But the fact is that they are already out there as a result of actions of governments, even as late as December, 2018.

This hypocrite is using the completely fake narrative of a "lone-wolf gunman", that is demonstrably false to bring this and other changes to the country and negate all its historical political traditions of peacefulness and tolerance at the stroke of a pen and to divide society into a 'them' vs 'us' that has absolutely ZERO to do with the reasons they put forward.

Jacinda Ardern touted to lead global campaign on social media issues - 'I do think NZ has a role to play'

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern responded today to speculation she could lead an international coalition in a campaign against harmful content on social media.

Britain has come up with a white paper to make social media owners personally liable for not taking questionable material off their sites, and Ms Ardern's name was one brought up to lead the campaign.

Ms Ardern told TVNZ1's Breakfast today she had taken an interest in social media issues since the massacre.

"I do think New Zealand has a role to play but I'm just working on what that looks like because this needs to be meaningful - we've got to learn lessons from this," she said. "Domestic law can only take us so far."

To finish off I penned the follwing comments on Facebook this morning:

The Otago Daily Times is saying “don’t give oxygen to racism”.

I concur but we need to see things in the context

1. A third generation of neo-liberalism that has removed people from the workforce, from the education system etc. - all as a result of STATE policies

2 People who are unhealthy and grossly undereducated to the extent they cannot put sentences together are of course going to put the blame on the outsider. Look at the educated classes, full of anger and hatred themselves are projecting the blame out elsewhere without a single moment’s self-reflection

3. All of this is BY DESIGN.

Above all, to not give oxygen to racism we would have needed to have NOT had 18;years of rapacious, imperialist war against Muslim countries.

We would also have needed no STATE-SPONSORED. TERRORISM.

The people who are blaming the Muslims for everything are barking up the wrong tree. I cannot condone this but I can surely understand them.

Over all of this is the reality of collapse - economic, social, ecological. People don’t understand what is happening to them and are PISSED OFF.

There ate plenty of people, peppered round the country who do present a threat to the present Order. But right now, I am putting the responsibility on state terrorists and the liberals who are justifying the removal of human rights.

Most of all, right now I would place the responsibility on the Left who,one supposes, were against the Establishment but now are proving to leading the charge to a Stasi state where citizens dob each other to the police state.

That is my 2 cents. Its just a viewpoint.

I shall finish off by asking if in the context of the above whether it it is any surprise that people should see red at the picture below of a police training session at what I take to be the al-Noor mosque in Christchurch.

Ban on semiautomatics would include farmers who currently use the firearms for pest control

This is what was put out by the NZ police

'It is completely illogical': Federated Farmers slams firearm recommendations

Newshub,

9 April, 2019

Federated Farmers has slammed the recommendations of the Select Committee looking at changes to firearms laws, saying landowners have been let down.

The Select Committee report has recommended the Government go ahead with a ban on semi-automatic weapons.

• Select Committee recommends Government go ahead with semi-automatics ban
• Kiwi farmer who surrendered semi-automatic after Christchurch terror attack gains global attention

The Arms Amendment Bill is in response to the March 15 terror attack in which 50 people were shot dead in two mosques in Christchurch.

The ban would include farmers who currently use the firearms for pest control, however exemptions would be made for pest controllers engaged by the Department of Conservation, or by a management agency.

Federated Farmers is disappointed with the recommendations and said unless further changes are made, pests will be the winners and the environment will be the loser.

Rural Security spokesperson Miles Anderson said the Government has failed to deliver on its commitment to farmers and other major landowners that they would continue to have access to the firearms they need for effective animal pest control.

"Labour has the opportunity to fix the Bill over the next few days, otherwise Federated Farmers will feel duped by this process," he said.

He said under the recommendations, landowners with significant pest problems will no longer have access to one of the tools they need to effectively manage their land. 

"Farmers will have to rely on contractors who are unlikely to be available when required," said Anderson.

"Pests don't wait around for contractors to turn up."

He said the Select Committee had shown both a lack of trust and a complete lack of understanding of the needs of the rural sector on this issue. 

"We have publicly backed the Government on this important issue from day one, based on the need to both protect public safety and ensure continuing access to the appropriate firearms for those who have demonstrated a genuine need."

"There are 5 million hectares of privately owned high and hill country in New Zealand. 

What these landowners have been left with is the equivalent of painting the Auckland harbour bridge with a toothbrush."

Miles Anderson said rural landowners who can demonstrate a genuine need to use the firearms as part of their business should be eligible to apply for an exemption, just as provided for other professional firearms users in the Bill.