Showing posts with label fire. Show all posts
Showing posts with label fire. Show all posts

Sunday, 21 April 2019

"The Notre Dame fire was NOT caused by electrical short-circuit' "



Chief architect of Notre Dame: 'We installed new detection system in 2010, and completely rewired the cathedral, so the fire wasn't caused by electrical short-circuit'

mouton archtiect engineer notre dame

Former chief architect/engineer of Notre Dame Cathedral, who oversaw renovation of its electrical wiring and installed a modern fire detection sytem in 2010
Sott.net,
18 April, 2019


French media reports citing an interview with the former French Inspector-General for Historic Monuments Benjamin Mouton, who oversaw the installation of state-of-the-art fire prevention systems in the Notre Dame Cathedral in 2010, and who was responsible for the building from 2000 to 2013, cast doubt on today's leak to the Associated Press that the fire was likely caused by an electrical short-circuit. 

Benjamin Mouton was interviewed live on TV on Monday evening as the fire continued to burn the 850-year-old symbol of French culture and history. Here's what he had to say:

"I don't understand this at all. The fire's spread is extremely curious. With really old oak like that, it's super-hard, so you'd need a lot of smaller wood to first get the fire hot enough for the oak beams to burn.

In 2010 we replaced all the electrical wiring, so there's no way this was sparked by a short-circuit. We put new wiring in place according to modern standards. And we went even further; we installed state-of-the-art fire protection and detection systems in the cathedral.

At all times, there are always two men on standby in the Cathedral, day and night, to go investigate anything the moment an alarm goes off, then if necessary to call the fire emergency services.

I am really stunned that this [the fire] has happened. It's incomprehensible."

That's not all. Mouton told French construction magazine BatiActu the following:

"In 40 years of experience, I have never heard of a fire like this.

It would take a really combustible load at the start of such a fire for it to rapidly develop into the disaster we saw. Also, oak is a particularly fire-resistant wood.

The fire detection/protection system installed in the cathedral was of the highest level. It was a very expensive undertaking, but it enabled us to quickly ascertain whether a fire had started somewhere. Additionally, we had many old wooden doors replaced by fire-doors.

We also drastically reduced the number of electrical appliances throughout the building, and completely forbid them in the attic."

Friday, 19 April 2019

France is not capable of rebuilding Notre Dame as it was

France no longer has trees tall enough to rebuild Notre-Dame's roof as it was


17 April, 2019
  • Bertrand de Feydeau, the vice president of the preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, said France no longer has trees tall enough to rebuild Notre-Dame Cathedral's frame as it was.
  • The cathedral could be rebuilt with smaller beams or a metal frame, two options that would be "unpopular with purists," The Washington Post reported.
  • A fire broke out in the cathedral's attic on Monday, causing most of the roof to collapse.When Notre-Dame Cathedral is rebuilt, it most likely won't look quite the same.
That's because France no longer has trees tall enough to make its roof as it was, Bertrand de Feydeau, the vice president of the preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info on Tuesday.
"We will have to implement new technologies that will leave the appearance of the cathedral as we love it," he said in French.
Notre Dame Cathedral
Flames and smoke inside the cathedral.
REUTERS/Philippe Wojazer
The cathedral is 427 by 157 feet, with a 115-foot roof. While the facade that visitors could see from the nave — the central part of the church — was stone, the beams above it were wood. The fire on Monday started in the attic and destroyed most of the roof.
According to Notre-Dame's website, 1,300 trees were cut down for its roof between 1160 and 1170, and many could have been 300 to 400 years old at the time.
De Feydeau told CNN that he wasn't sure whether there were enough trees in Europe that fit the description of what would be needed to rebuild the roof as it was.
notre dame attic
A view of the attic — where Monday's fire started — that was posted on the cathedral's website.
Notre-Dame de Paris
Fransylva, a federation representing private timber growers in France, has asked for oak trees to rebuilt Notre-Dame.
"Loggers want Notre-Dame's 'forêt-charpente' reconstructed with French oak trees, in keeping with the same traditions and good quality of the first builders," Fransylva said in a press release, using the nickname of the frame, "the forest," as it was made of so many trees.
notre dame inside
Charred beams were on the floor of the cathedral on Tuesday.
Christophe Petit Tesson/AP
Groupama, an insurance company, also offered to pay for 1,300 trees to rebuild the frame. The company said they should be oaks from the forests of Normandy, in keeping with the original construction.
Mechtild Rössler, the director of the Unesco World Heritage Center, told Business Insider's Hilary Brueck on Tuesday that the cathedral should be rebuilt as it was originally.
"We'll use modern methods, but it should be done by the books," Rössler said, "which includes a lot of craftsmanship."
Notre-Dame Cathedral ceiling before
The Notre-Dame Cathedral before the fire.
Jorge Láscar/Flickr
Other experts said that based on Monday's fire, wood wouldn't be a good idea for rebuilding the roof.
"I doubt they'll use wood," Carolyn Malone, a professor of art history and gothic architecture at the University of Southern California, told Brueck in an email.
Alternatives include smaller beams or even a metal frame, though either would be "unpopular with purists," The Washington Post said.

Authoriutes think an "electrical short-circuit" caused the Notre Dame fire


Investigators Believe Notre Dame Fire Was Started By Electrical Short-Circuit


My question is how a spark from an electrical short-circuit can set the solid, oak beams of the cathedral alight and produce a conflagration in such a short period of time with the characteristics described in the video below.

But then, what do I know?


Investigators Believe Notre Dame Fire Was Started By Electrical Short-Circuit
Zero Hedge,
18 April, 2019

With much of the internet still buzzing over the cause of the devastating Notre Dame fire, a French judicial police official said investigators think an electrical short-circuit was the most likely cause behind the Cathedral inferno.
The official, who according to the AP spoke anonymously about the ongoing investigation, said investigators still don't have the green light to work in the cathedral and search in the rubble for safety reasons. He told The Associated Press the monument is still being consolidated with wooden planks to support some fragilize parts of the walls.
A preliminary investigation of the scene on Tuesday found no immediate signs of arson, the city’s public prosecutor said. More than 50 people are still investigating the fire, which broke out while the landmark cathedral was under reconstruction.
On Tuesday, French President Emmanuel Macron pledged to rebuild Notre Dame within five years "even more beautiful than before" as donations towards the cathedral's reconstruction have continued to flow from the private sector too. After French businessman Francois-Henri Pinault pledged €100 million and fellow billionaire Bernard Arnault offered €200 million towards the restoration, some expect the donation fund to surpass €1 billion in the near future.

This piece (from a Christian point-of-view) points out the strangeness in the fire



Thursday, 18 April 2019

A reworking of a video blocked by You Tube


This is bit of a dog's breakfast as I grapple with video editing software and how to splice in new material. However, this contains all the material I wanted to convey.


I have included the Russian interview below

Good vs Evil in the context of events in France



The following was ostensibly the reason why I could not upload my video yesterday and it was blocked by the You Tube censors.

Notre Dame's Ill Fate, A Token of The Western Christianity Decline? - Russian TV


Tuesday, 16 April 2019

Questions about the fire in Paris appear almost immediately

Hours after the fire at Notre Dame de Paris there are indications that this may not have been entirely an accident
But one can't say that

I do not believe that one can say what actually happened in Paris today any more than we can say for sure what happened in Christchurch.

People will immediately interpret this event according to their own prejudices.

But questions must be asked about the official narrative. I would not be placing my faith in any official inquiry from the corruption government of Macron.

Within hours, the Independent comes up with this, Talk of the pot calling the kettle black!



The inferno that has engulfed the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris has been seized upon by far right provocateurs to spread anti-Muslim hate and conspiracies, even as officials said they have ruled out arson as the cause.

Even before the blaze brought the centuries-old steeple and roof crashing to the earth on Monday, conspiracy-minded conservatives on Twitter began declaring the cause to be terrorism — and using the world-renowned landmark as a symbol to push western Christian rhetoric.

The comments online came as authorities in Paris ruled out any terror-related motives as the cause of the blaze, as firefighters continued to battle the fire that was expected to burn the entire church to the ground, leaving just the stone walls behind.

A French official comes under immediate attack for pointing out the obvious - that there has been a spate of attacks on churches and synagogues in France - and merely suggesting that this was not an accident.

For some the label is quite sufficient.

No sir. We’re not doing that here. Not now, not on my watch,’ snaps Smith

Fox News host Shepard Smith abruptly cut off a French government official describing the burning of the Notre Dame cathedral after he suggested that the blaze may not have been accidental.
“I would tell you something, even if nobody died, it’s like a 9/11, the French 9/11,” French official Philippe Karsenty said of the historic cathedral’s burning on Monday.
“And it’s a big shock. I mean, this church was there for more than 850 years, even the Nazis didn’t dare to destroy it.”


Karsenty then explained the routine Islamic attacks against churches throughout France, and alluded that the media is spreading the “politically correct” narrative that the cathedral’s burning is accidental before being suddenly cut off by Smith.
“And you need to know that for the past year we’ve had churches desecrated each and every week in France. All over France. Of course you will hear the stories about the political correctness which will tell you that it’s probably an accident — ”
Sir? Sir. Sir. We’re not going to speculate here of the cause of something which we don’t know,” Smith said.

I’m just telling you something, we need to be ready — ” Karsenty began.
No sir. We’re not doing that here. Not now, not on my watch,” Smith snapped.
Coincidentally, Fox host Neil Cavuto reportedly also abruptly cut off the Catholic League president Bill Donahue for insinuating the fire was intentionally caused.

The notion that the Notre Dame blaze could have been started by arsonists was first reported by local cathedral workers.
“A Jesuit friend in Paris who works in #NotreDame told me cathedral staff said the fire was intentionally set,” reported Time columnist Christopher J. Hale.
It’s not outside the realm of possibility to deduce arson as the cause of the fire.
As we reported, anti-Christian attacks in France have been on the rise following the European Union’s decision to flood the continent with millions of migrants in 2015.


A brief summary of who is responding to the tragic Notre Dame fire with 'smiley faces' on Facebook. Appalling.



And then there is this tweet, removed quickly with one worker reportedly claiming that the blaze was deliberately set.



Finally,there is this coverage. It is not exactly my language. 

I am not a Christian in the traditional sense (I would rather describe myself as 'spiritual'). Until comparitively recently I have not subscribed to the concept of Evil or 'satanic' but I am coming round - especially if it is not seen as the workings of a creature with a forked tail but as referring to the Darkness of the human heart.

Whatever, we are engaged in a spiritual battle as the world goes to Hell in a hand basket.


How far can you take coincidence?


Sometimes you can carry “co-incidence” too far

There has been a spate in attacks on French churches largely ignored by the media


This, I am sure will be the consensus view which will ignore the stories below.



The exact cause of the blaze was not known, but French media quoted the Paris fire brigade as saying the fire is "potentially linked" to a 6 million-euro ($6.8 million) renovation project on the church's spire and its 250 tons of lead. The Paris prosecutors' office ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives, and said it was treating it as an accident.

In 2017, it was reported by the New York Times that Notre Dame, which sees 13m visitors each year, was in desperate need of structural updates.

At the time, the cathedral’s spokesperson André Finot pointed out that “everywhere the stone is eroded” and each time the wind blows, more pieces of stone fall from the cathedral's roof.

However, the decision to renovate may be behind the blaze that caused “colossal damage” to the structure.

Speaking to The Times, Vincent Dunn, a fire consultant and former New York City fire chief said that fire hose streams could not reach the top of the cathedral and that buildings such as this are “built to burn.”






21 March, 2019

France has seen a spate of attacks against Catholic churches since the start of the year, vandalism that has included arson and desecration.

Vandals have smashed statues, knocked down tabernacles, scattered or destroyed the Eucharist and torn down crosses, sparking fears of a rise in anti-Catholic sentiment in the country.

Last Sunday, the historic Church of St. Sulpice in Paris was set on fire just after midday mass on Sunday, Le Parisien reported, although no one was injured. Police are still investigating the attack, which firefighters have confidently attributed to arson.






While the world watched in horror at Paris’ historic Notre Dame Cathedral erupting in flames Monday, the fire is only the latest in a series of incidents that have left social media awash in images of heavily damaged churches.


France has been hit with a string of fires at Catholic churches, some of which occurred alongside desecration of sacred objects and acts of vandalism. While the fire at Notre Dame appears to be an accident connected to renovations of the church, the image of the famous spire engulfed in flames is a hard hit on the historically deeply Catholic France, as well as Catholics all over who have seen their religion reeling from devastating scandals, cover-ups and attacks.




18 March, 2018

Paris’ historical Saint-Sulpice church has been damaged by the blaze which was bursting though the doors of the 19th Century building. The cause of the fire is unknown.

Firefighters were sent to deal with the blaze early on Sunday afternoon, Le Parisien reported. According to the newspaper, the wooden doors were on fire, and a stained glass window was damaged. The rest of the damage “seems minor,” the daily paper said.

Dramatic footage shared on social media shows the interior of the church in flames, with smoke billowing up to its arched roof. From outside, video footage shows firefighters hosing down the burning doors.



A spate of thefts and vandalism in French churches has led to calls for the government to act.

Recent incidents have included a fire in Saint-Sulpice church in Paris, human excrement smeared on the wall in Notre-Dame-des-Enfants church in Nîmes, southern France, and vandalism of the organ at Saint-Denis basilica outside Paris, where all but three of France’s kings are buried.

Opposition politicians have said that the country’s Christian heritage is being threatened by petty criminals encouraged by militant secularism. Critics say the issue is being ignored in a society over which Catholicism has lost the hold it had for centuries.




2 May, 2016

Investigators in three cities are looking into large fires at Orthodox churches that occurred around the religion's Easter celebrations and caused widespread damage.

The blazes in New York City, as well as Melbourne and Sydney in Australia, caused only minor injuries, according to multiple reports.

The New York City conflagration on Sunday at the Trinity Chapel Complex that was host to the Serbian Orthodox Church in Manhattan produced dramatic images of flames shooting through windows that filled social media.

FDNY investigators haven't given any indication yet what started the blaze, reports CBS New York. Only the church caretaker was injured when he rushed in to try and put the fire out, which began shortly after parishioners had wrapped up Easter celebrations at the cathedral.



A spate of thefts and vandalism in French churches has led to calls for the government to act.

Sometimes it's a cross of human excrement smeared on a church wall, with stolen Communion hosts stuck at the four corners. Other times, a statue of the Virgin Mary lies shattered on the floor.

Now and then, a fire breaks out in a house of prayer.

Was there foul play in the fire at Notre Dame de Paris?


BREAKING: VIDEO – FOUL PLAY? France’s Historic Notre Dame In Ruins, Fire Engulfs Roof

15 April,  2019

PARIS – The Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris has caught fire, emergency services in the city have said. Photographs and videos shared on social media show huge clouds of smoke around the landmark. The fire broke out at the French building on Monday afternoon, a spokesperson from the fire department said.

No injuries were reported in the early stages of the blaze. It was not immediately clear what had caused the fire, while local media reported that police in the city were treating it as an accident, but foul play cannot be ruled out. The Paris Prosecutor’s office announced that it has started an inquiry into the fire.
This massive fire at Norte Dame comes after two months of arson and vandalism attacks upon churches across France.
France is a predominantly Catholic country, with a strong left-wing sentiment that opposes Catholicism on the balance. The Yellow Vest movement has been popular among both populist Catholic French, and left-wing forces as well. 
This attack upon churches in recent months has sparked some degree of in-fighting within the Yellow Vest movement’s ostensibly left wing and right wing forces. 
While it is too soon to estimate, if any human activity can be attached to this fire, it would be prudent to examine who may benefit from this emergent pattern of damages done to Churches. Relatively unknown in recent history, and yet France is finding now over a dozen attacks over the last several months.
These attacks have increased in severity as the Yellow Vest movement has grown, to the detriment of the protest movement now beyond 20 straight weeks of manifestations.

Restoration workers were apparently on-site and their activity may have had something to do with the fire, authorities revealed. Emergency services also attempted to salvage the artwork stored in the cathedral, which had been undergoing renovations.
The cathedral dates back to the 12th century, and is a symbol of French Catholicism.
Just days ago Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI revealed that decades old allegations that the church engaged in a massive cover-up of homosexual pedophilia and rape, was true, and was on a scale much larger than previously known. It is not known at this time what relationship the on-site restoration crew may have had to do with the fire.
So far, it is known that the police are treating it as an accident, it is unclear whether this accident involves human error. Based on reports coming, spontaneous combustion is not likely.

Suspect pattern of events

Recall that Paris’s historic Saint-Sulpice church, which was used in the filming of U.S. author Dan Brown’s ‘Da Vinci Code’ bestseller, briefly caught fire on Sunday March 17th, just one month ago, but firefighters were able to bring the blaze under control and nobody was reported to have been hurt.
The month of February and March also so a whole slew of apparent hate crimes against churches across France as well. A seven  day spree of vandalism had seen Catholic churches targeted across France sparking fears of a fresh wave of anti-Christian sentiment in the country, including one church being defiled with human excrement.
At least 10 incidents of vandalism and desecration of Catholic churches have been reported in France since the beginning of February. The French Roman-Catholic newspaper La Croix International reported how the attacks on churches took place across France. Senseless acts included the desecration of altars, the defacing of Christ on the cross and in an extreme case, human excrement being spread across the walls of a holy place of worship.
According to the outlet, one of the first attacks was on February 4th at St. Nicholas Catholic Church in Houilles, Yvelines, where a statue of the Virgin Mary was found smashed on the ground.
The same church also had the altar cross thrown to the ground and the celebrant’s chair was damaged. On February 5th, an altar cloth was found burnt and crosses and statues torn down or disfigured at the recently refurbished Saint-Alain Cathedral in Lavaur, in south-central France.
Today’s massive event represents the most thorough damage done to any church in the last few months. While it is unknown at this time whether foul play was involved, a startling pattern is unavoidably observed. FRN will be following this story not reported in legacy/MSM/deep state media.