Showing posts with label Nicole Foss. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Nicole Foss. Show all posts

Sunday, 13 December 2015

The con of COP21

"To halt the demise of the planet, you can’t rely on the same people who cause it. Never works."

I am posting this for discussion and interest. I have no idea about Ilargi and where he stands on abrupt climate change but for clarification I have had reason to have a contretemps with his off-sider at the Automatic Earth, Nicole Foss

See also HERE


CON21

Raul Ilargi Meijer

12 December, 2015


Nickolay Lamm Jefferson Memorial under 25 feet of water 


French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius just announced, in Paris, a “legally binding agreement” that no-one has agreed the financing for. We can hear a couple thousand lawyers across the globe snicker. But it’s all the COP21 ‘oh-so-important’ climate conference managed to come up with. No surprises there. They couldn’t make the 2ºC former goal stick, so they go for 1.5ºC this time. All on red, double or nothing. Because who really cares among the leadership, just as long as the ‘targets’ are far enough away that they can’t be held accountable.

I’ve been writing the following through the past days, and wondering if I should post it, because I know so many readers of the Automatic Earth have so much emotion invested in these things, and they’re good and fine emotions. But some things must still be said regardless of consequences. Precisely because of that kind of reaction. No contract is legally binding if there’s no agreement on payment. Nobody has a legal claim on your home without it being specified that, if, when and how they’re going to pay for it.

I understand some people may get offended by some of the things I have to say about this – though not all for the same reasons either-, but please try and understand that and why the entire CON21 conference has offended me. After watching the horse and pony show just now, I thought I’d let ‘er rip:


I don’t know what makes me lose faith in mankind faster, the way we destroy our habitat through wanton random killing of everything alive, plants, animals and people, through pollution and climate change and blood-thirsty sheer stupidity, or if it is the way these things are being ‘protested’.

I’m certainly not a climate denier or anything like that, though I do think there are questions people gloss over very easily. And one of those questions has to be that of priorities. Is there anyone who has thought over whether the COP21 stage in Paris is the right one to target in protest, whatever shape it takes? Is there anyone who doesn’t think the ‘leaders’ are laughing out loud in -plush, fine wine and gourmet filled- private about the protests?

Protesters and other well-intended folk, from what I can see, are falling into the trap set for them: they are the frame to the picture in a political photo-op. They allow the ‘leaders’ to emanate the image that yes, there are protests and disagreements as everyone would expect, but that’s just a sign that people’s interests are properly presented, so all’s well.

COP21 is not a major event, that’s only what politicians and media make of it. In reality, it’s a mere showcase in which the protesters have been co-opted. They’re not in the director’s chair, they’re not even actors, they’re just extras.

I fully agree, and more than fully sympathize, with the notion of saving this planet before it’s too late. But I wouldn’t want to rely on a bunch of sociopaths to make it happen. There are children drowning every single day in the sea between Turkey and Greece, and the very same world leaders who are gathered in Paris are letting that happen. They have for a long time, without lifting a finger. And they’ve done worse -if that is possible-.

The only thing standing between the refugees and even greater and more lethal carnage are a wide, even confusingly so, array of volunteers, and the people of the Greek coastguard, who by now must be so traumatized from picking up little wide-eyed lifeless bodies from the water and the beaches, they’ll live the rest of their lives through sleepless nightmares.

Neither Obama nor Merkel nor Hollande will have those same nightmares. And let’s be honest, will you? You weren’t even there. And still, you guys are targeting a conference in Paris on climate change that features the exact same leaders that let babies drown with impunity.Drowned babies, climate change and warfare, these things all come from the same source. And you’re appealing to that very same source to stop climate change.

What on earth makes you think the leaders you appeal to would care about the climate when they can’t be bothered for a minute with people, and the conditions they live in, if they’re lucky enough to live at all? Why are you not instead protesting the preventable drownings of innocent children? Or is it that you think the climate is more important than human life? That perhaps one is a bigger issue than the other?

Moreover, the very same leaders that you for some reason expect to save the planet -which they won’t- don’t just let babies drown, they also, in the lands the refugees are fleeing, kill children and their parents on a daily basis with bombs and drones. Dozens, hundreds, if not thousands, every single day. That’s how much they care for a ‘healthy’ planet (how about we discuss what that actually is?).

And in the hallways of the CON21 conference they’ve been actively discussing plans to do more of the same, more killing, more war. Save the world, bombs away! That’s their view of the planet. And they’re supposed to save ‘the climate’?

There are a number of reasons why the CON21 conference will not move us one inch towards saving this planet. One of the biggest is outlined in just a few quoted words from a senior member of India’s delegation -nothing new, but a useful reminder.

India would reject a deal to combat climate change that includes a pledge for the world to wean itself off fossil fuels this century, a senior official said, underlying the difficulties countries face in agreeing how to slow global warming.
India, the world’s third largest carbon emitter, is dependent on coal for most of its energy needs, and despite a pledge to expand solar and wind power has said its economy is too small and its people too poor to end use of the fossil fuel anytime soon. “It’s problematic for us to make that commitment at this point in time. It’s certainly a stumbling block (to a deal),” Ajay Mathur, a senior member of India’s negotiating team for Paris, told Reuters in an interview this week.
The entire prosperity of the world has been built on cheap energy. And suddenly we are being forced into higher cost energy. That’s grossly unfair,” he said.

This means the ‘poorer’ countries, -by no means just India; China has 155 more coal plants in the pipeline despite their pollution levels moving ‘beyond index’-, the poorer counties won’t volunteer to lower their emissions unless richer nations lower theirs even a lot more. US per capita emissions are over 10 times higher than India’s, those of the EU six times. Ergo: Step 1: lower US emissions by 90%. 

It also means that richer nations won’t do this, because it would kill their economies.

Which, in case you haven’t noticed, are already doing very poorly, much worse than the media -let alone politicians- will tell you. In fact, the chances that the richer countries will ‘recover’ from the effects of their debt binge are about on par with those of renewable energy sources becoming cheaper than fossil fuels -barring subsidies. If only because producing them depends entirely on those same fossil fuels. All the rest of what you hear is just con.

The people of India obviously know it, and you might as well. It’s going to cost many trillions of dollars to replace even a halfway substantial part of our fossil energy use with renewables, and we already don’t have that kind of money today. We will have much less tomorrow.

Besides, despite all the talk of Big Oil turning into Big Energy, Shell et al are not energy companies, they’re oil -and gas- companies, and they’ll defend their (near) monopolies tooth and claw. Especially now that their market caps are sinking like so many stones. They have no money left to invest in anything, let alone an industry that’s not theirs. They lost some $250 billion in ‘value’ this week alone. They’re getting killed.

In the same vein, China can’t close more than a token few of its most polluting plants. China’s getting killed economically. And for all nations and corporations there’s one principle that trumps all: competitive advantage. If going ‘green’ means losing that, or even some of it, forget it. We won’t volunteer to go green if it makes us less rich.

And who do you think represents big oil -and the bankers that finance them- more than anyone else? Right, your same leaders again, who make you pay for the by now very extensive and expensive security details that keep them from having to face you. Just like they’re planning to make you pay dearly for the illusion of a world running on renewables.

Because that’s where the profit is: in the illusion.

Whatever makes most money is what will drive people’s, corporations’, and nations’ actions going forward. Saving energy and/or substituting energy sources is not what makes most money, and it will therefore not happen. Not on any meaningful scale, that is.

There will be attempts to force people to pay through the nose to soothe their consciences -which will be very profitable for those on the receiving end-, but people’s ability to pay for this is shrinking fast, so that won’t go anywhere.

The only thing that could help save this planet is for all westerners to reduce their energy use by 90%+, but, though it is theoretically and technically feasible, it won’t happen because the majority of us won’t give up even a part of our wealth, and the powers that be in today’s economies refuse to see their profits (re: power) and those of their backers go up in -ever hotter- air.

The current economic model depends on our profligate use of energy. A new economic model, then, you say? Good luck with that. The current one has left all political power with those who profit most from it. And besides, that’s a whole other problem, and a whole other issue to protest.

If you’re serious about wanting to save the planet, and I have no doubt you are, then I think you need to refocus. COP21 is not your thing, it’s not your stage. It’s your leaders’ stage, and your leaders are not your friends. They don’t even represent you either. The decisions that you want made will not be made there.

There will be lofty declarations loaded with targets for 2030, 2050 and 2100, and none of it will have any real value. Because none of the ‘leaders’ will be around to be held accountable when any of those dates will come to pass.

An imploding global economy may be your best shot at lowering emissions. But then again, it will lead to people burning anything they can get their hands on just to keep warm. Not a pretty prospect either. To be successful, we would need to abandon our current political and economic organizational structures, national governments and ‘up’, which select for the sociopaths that gather behind their heavy security details to decide on your future while gloating with glee in their power positions.

Better still, we should make it impossible for any single one of them to ever be elected to any important position ever again. For now, though, our political systems don’t select for those who care most for the world, or its children. We select for those who promise us the most wealth. And we’re willing to turn a blind eye to very many things to acquire that wealth and hold on to it.

The entire conference is just an exercise in “feel good”, on all sides. Is there anyone out there who really thinks the likes of Bill Gates and Richard Branson will do anything at all to stop this world from burning to the ground? You have any idea what their ecological footprints are?

Sometimes I think it’s the very ignorance of the protesting side that dooms this planet. There’s a huge profit-seeking sociopathic part of the equation, which has caused the problems in the first place, and there’s no serious counterweight in иsight.

Having these oversized walking talking ego’s sign petitions and declarations they know they will never have to live up to is completely useless. Branson will still fly his planes, Gates will keep running his ultra-cooled server parks, and Obama and Merkel will make sure their economies churn out growth ahead of anything else. Every single country still demands growth. Whatever gains you make in terms of lower emissions will be nullified by that growth.

And in the hallways, ‘smart’ entrepreneurs stand ready to pocket a ‘smart’ profit from the alleged switch to clean energy. At the cost of you, the taxpayer. And you believe them, because you want to, and because it makes you feel good. And you don’t have the knowledge available to dispute their claims (hint: try thermodynamics).

You’re seeking the cooperation of people who let babies drown and who incessantly bomb the countries these babies and their families were seeking to escape.

I’m sorry, I know a lot of you have a lot of emotion invested in this, and it’s a good emotion, and you’re thinking this conference is really important and all, and our ‘last chance’ to save the planet. But you’ve been had, it’s as simple as that. And co-opted. And conned.

And it’s not the first time, either. All these conferences go the same way. To halt the demise of the planet, you can’t rely on the same people who cause it. Never works.


Friday, 31 October 2014

Facebook politics

Nicole Foss blocked

Nicole Foss
Last night I posted an article on the terrible floods in Sri Lanka with reference to Nicole Foss’s denial.

She came back this morning with THIS in which she shed not a single tear for the people of Sri Lanka or elsewere but continued her diatribe.


  • Nicole Foss My life is somehow petty merely because I disagree with McPherson and NTHE? You persist in calling me a climate change denier simply because I disagree with the ill-founded and overblown prognostications of your idol-du-jour? Please get a grip.
    1 · 21 hrs
  • Nicole Foss LOL, you say this without knowing one single thing about me or my position on any issue whatsoever. This is groupthink. Science is about questions and debate. It is not about certainty.
    1 · 21 hrs
  • Nicole Foss Please note that the comment I was replying to above has been deleted.
    1 · 21 hrs
  • Guy McPherson As mentioned in the original post, Foss denies abrupt climate change. The evidence is overwhelming, and the denial is profound. Even as 5 million people die every year as a result of climate change, it's perceived as an unimportant "problem."
    Like · Reply · 4 · 18 hrs · Edited
  • Jo-Ann Child · Friends with Guy McPherson
    There was a time when people disagreed about the role of the earth and the sun, the sun revolved around the earth. They disagreed, men were put to death but none of that changed the facts.
    Unlike · Reply · 3 · 18 hrs
  • Biff Vernon "The evidence is overwhelming" Well, it may have overwhelmed Guy, but while probability distributions have fat tails that it could be dangerous to ignore, I find the evidence for disastrous climate change compelling but that 'gradual' is a better descriptor than 'abrupt'. These are non-numerical terms and open to interpretation, but such is the richness of language. To link Nicole Foss with denial merely serves to remove all credibility from the author, making the attempt at rational discourse fruitless.
    Like · Reply · 2 · 17 hrs
  • Nicole Foss I disagree with abrupt climate change. You, as usual, try to paint me as a heretic for doing so, as if things were black and white when they are not. The world is a far more complex place than you seem to think. Peddling ill-founded certainties serves no one well, except yourself in forming a cult of personality of course. It certainly does not serve the cause of actual knowledge or understanding - it actively undermines them. I think that's intentional, which is very sad. Science is about questions and debate, not about iron-clad certainty, especially when that certainty rests on flawed or misrepresented sources and on mathematically indefensible extrapolations of data. Misanthropy is not a pleasant trait to observe either.
    2 · 10 hrs
  • Guy McPherson Anybody checked the abundant evidence for abrupt climate change? I'll link it here, you'll continue to ignore it, and you'll continue to disparage me and my work. Denying evidence makes you deniers. Resorting to name-calling is exactly what I expect. http://guymcpherson.com/.../climate-change-summary-and.../
    Updated frequently, and most recently 26 October 2014. ** Latest additions are flagged with two asterisks on each...
    GUYMCPHERSON.COM
    Like · Reply · Remove Preview · 5 · 9 hrs
  • Nicole Foss I don't call people names. I comment on behaviours, particularly behaviour patterns.
  • Robin Westenra I have removed some comments. I will not tolerate comments that are purely ad hominem
    Like · Reply · 2 · 8 hrs
  • Pauline Panagiotou Schneider Nicole, when I read you initial comment I was certain it was posted by a right wing nut job from the South of the US. Then I saw your name! 
    wow.
    Unlike · Reply · 2 · 8 hrs
    • Robin Westenra "t was not the subject of this thread."!!!! Did you read the article,per chance?
      Like · Reply · 1 · 7 hrs
    • Guy McPherson Ha ha ha. Why bother reading anything when you already know everything?
      Unlike · Reply · 2 · 7 hrs
    • Nicole Foss That's you modus operandi , not mine.
    • Robin Westenra The denier now denies being a denier. "Why concentrate in that which cannot be changed by human agency? That is just a recipe for pointless angst " Here once again is my article - all the references are there, so you can go back and see who said what and when.http://robinwestenra.blogspot.com.tr/.../serving-empire...
      The intellectually dishonest, climate denier, Nicole Foss has removed that FB thread. Attempting to cover her scat...
      ROBINWESTENRA.BLOGSPOT.COM|BY SEEMOREROCKS
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    • Nicole Foss Why do you persist in smearing and defaming me merely for disagreeing with you? People disagree with each other all the time. The world is not a place of certainty. Certainty, even when unpleasant, is strangely comforting. We need to be brave enough to face uncertainty. It is human hubris to assume everything important is known. It is not, and never will be. Living with risk and uncertainty will always be part of the human condition.
    • Robin Westenra I do NOT defame you. I am challenging you. You are a public figure and, as such, accontable for what you say.
      Like · Reply · 1 · 7 hrs
    • Robin Westenra We are not talking about certainty or uncertainty - it is about DENIAL dressed up as intellectual debate.
      Like · Reply · 1 · 7 hrs · Edited
    • Nicole Foss You consistently defame me by distorting every word I say, twisting everything to paint a picture that suits you, but is highly inaccurate. You are also accountable for your words. I stand by my words as written and am happy to be accountable for them. Your misrepresentation of my words, used expressly for the purpose of character assassination, is inexcusable. Can you tell the difference between denial and intellectual debate? I don't think so. Anyone with a genuine appreciation for science can do so easily.
    • Robin Westenra I stand by every single one of them. I have invited people to read the particular articles and make up their own minds - its all there in my article. I have withheld nothing.
      Like · Reply · 1 · 7 hrs

I warned that I would not tolerate this discussion going on, and on, ad nauseum.

In response to this:

For Nicole Foss' benefit, of all the people that attended Guy McPherson's hui there was no one I or Pam can recall who expressed feelings of depression or despair. There was one criticism that we didn't go far enough. Funny, that! Just a group of people reflecting on life.

Says Ms. Foss:

  • Nicole Foss Oh really? How recently did you write this (below)? Is that not despair?
  • Nicole Foss This is consuming you. It's compounding your health problems. This obsession isn't helping anyone. It's deterring people from moving forward in useful ways. Of course the best we can do won't save civilisation in anything remotely like its current form, but in combination with economic collapse the effect may well be sufficient to avoid some of the more extreme climate scenarios. It is terribly premature, and unsubstantiated by real science, to write off all of humanity in the short term. It is also profoundly unhelpful to let this false certainty cloud our judgment, and even more so to propagate it as Truth when it is mere speculation.

This is consuming you. It's compounding your health problems. This obsession isn't helping anyone. It's deterring people from moving forward in useful ways. Of course the best we can do won't save civilisation in anything remotely like its current form, but in combination with economic collapse the effect may well be sufficient to avoid some of the more extreme climate scenarios. It is terribly premature, and unsubstantiated by real science, to write off all of humanity in the short term. It is also profoundly unhelpful to let this false certainty cloud our judgment, and even more so to propagate it as Truth when it is mere speculation.

Guy’s reasonable response (IMHO):

Unfounded judgment is your specialty. Apparently you think you're a medical doctor, too, among your many other "talents." It's too bad you don't accept evidence, as scientists do. Rather, you believe "the best way to address climate change is not to talk about it." What a bad joke.

And Ms. Foss - 

I don't make unfounded judgments, I leave that to you Professor, LOL. I do accept real evidence, but I don't accept false certainty based on wild speculation. Again, I leave that to you.


All of this was one step too far and I have both “unfriended” and blocked Nicole Foss