Showing posts with label social welfare. Show all posts
Showing posts with label social welfare. Show all posts

Monday, 28 September 2020

Looking at abortion in the context of the decline of the Liberal Ideal in the midst of Collapse

I have reached a time in my life where values matter much more than ideology so I am reflecting on issues surrounding the nomination of Catholic conservative,Amy Coney Barrett to the US Supreme Court and giving it my own spin

 An examination of full-term abortion within the context of the Long Emergency


Seemorerocks


When I was at university in the early 1970's in New Zealand the abortion debate was raging.  On the one side you had the feminists, who insisted on women's reproductive rights, liberals, including some of the churches; on the other you had the Catholic church and Patricia Bartlett who was a similar object of scorn and derision Amy Coney Barrett is in the United States.


Back then the argument, as I recall, was whether a foetus of up to 20 weeks was a living being or not and you could (and people did) argue about this until the cows came home.

I never engaged in this argument (I had my own fish to fry) but would have found myself sympathetic to the human rights side of this. Who back then would have wanted to side with Pat Bartlett and the Catholic church?

But wind on 40 years and what do we have?

The Labour government in New Zealand in the weeks before the covid-19 lockdown passed legislation (refusing the suggestion of a referendum) which took abortion and made it a "health issue". 




https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/new-zealand-passes-landmark-law-decriminalise-abortion

I would have imagined that such ground-breaking changes to New Zealand's abortion legislation might have been subject to referendum as the other two issues, euthanasia and cannabis, are.

However, the minister in charge, Andrew Little, responded testily to criticisms and had this to say.

"Ninety-nine point five percent of abortions in New Zealand currently happen within 20 weeks. It's a very small percentage that happens after that," 

That, it seems to me,  is the essence. 

When it comes to choosing between the life of a mother and that of a baby that is a heavy moral choice that has consequences and can't be reduced to a statistic.

In an ethical universe the 0.05% of cases referred to by Little are significant.

Whether it is New Zealand or the United States, the argument from the Left is always very similar. I have been watching as New York introduced legislation "allowing abortions at any time if the mother's health is at risk".

The issue is always presented in this way:

This is how it is described in the mainstream:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/

The first thought that came to mind was was the situation in the last 30-40 years (when some would say we had abortion-on-demand), such that women's lives have been regularly sacrificed?

That seems to fly in the face of what I understand to be the case.

So, I went to what seems to me to be a considered conservative source.  

https://illinoisfamily.org/life/29-states-permit-full-term-babies-to-be-killed-in-the-womb-for-virtually-any-or-no-reason/

What struck me was at the very least they made an argument rather than just hectoring and telling us what we should believe.

Late-term abortions are banned in 20 states except if the mother’s “health” is deemed at risk by allowing the baby to grow to term. But here’s the catch: “health” includes any physical, emotional, psychological, or familial factors that affect “well-being.” With that ambiguous and wildly broad definition, virtually any woman can have her baby killed at any point in her pregnancy.

Therein lies the rub.

In the past, I am sure, the legislation meant what it said - where the actual physical health of the mother was at risk.

Now, we have two things.  

The criteria for those making the decisions have slipped to the extent that health now equates to any factors that affect "well-being"

What was a debate about whether a 20-week-old foetus is alive, feels pain and how the abortion of such as a foetus can be balanced with the needs of the mother has now become abortion at any stage as a right.

What for me was something that was up for debate and was a moral quandary that had to be faced by every single individual involved is now something quite different.

There is no argument in my mind that a 9-month-old foetus that is ready to come into the world is a living being.  Any decision to abort a foetus in these circumstances to protect a mother's physical, emotional, psychological, or familial factors that affect “well-being.” is tantamount to murder.

VACCINATION

Then there is the question about all the aborted foetuses that go into making vaccines. Where do they come from and is there a suggestion of a "demand" on the part of Big Pharma for them which might suggest an inbuilt agenda. 



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells 

The more vaccines out there, the greater the demand for aborted foetuses.

There is no reliable information to be had so I can only speculate.

THE WELFARE STATE

There is another aspect to this - and that is slippage.  We often see legislation passed that is couched in terms that seem quite reasonable at the time (and perhaps in the context of the time were) but over time becomes something else.

So, legislation passed 3-40 years ago that was designed to protect the very real interests of women has degraded into something that affects the "wellbeing" of the mother (although it may be couched in terms that hide the reality - as in the comments of Andrew Little); early legislation that allowed the abortion up to a certain stage (done for a real reason) has degraded into abortion, practically on demand, at any stage.

I want to give another example the welfare state.

The early welfare state, as introduced to this country by Michael Joseph Savage in the 1930's came out of the situation described by John A Lee in Children of the Poor.  It was designed to ensure that people did not fall into abject poverty as was the case in New Zealand prior to World War 2. It also came at a time when New Zealand still had (until the early 1970's) a guaranteed market for its agricultural  products.

That all changed with Britain entering the Common Market (something which I cannot find reference to searching on Google), the oil shocks of the 1970s' and the neo-liberal "reforms" of Roger Douglas in the 1980's.

All of that reintroduced poverty and long-term unemployment into New Zealand. Unlike the NZ of the 1930's there is a well-established safety net in the form of the unemployment benefit and the welfare state.

However, over that time we have had the flip side to that in that generations of people have been unemployed, or on the verge on that.  This has introduced a situation where, along with liberal changes elsewhere such as in education that has led to a generation that has little concept of taking individual responsibility and have become dependant on the State and have come to expect it even if it means being on some form of benefit for the duration of their lives.

I am not going to be tricked into adopting the "solutions" of other right-wing parties that are punitive and inhumane and more designed to protect their 1% cronies in a "winner take all" situation.

Put simply I have no "solution" because there is not one to be had.

There is another aspect to this.  Governments have always taken short-term  approaches to major, long-term problems and to show that they are in charge of things. That is natural and just an integral part of politics.

THE LONG EMERGENCY

But what happens when a crisis is actually a long emergency?  I was influenced by James Howard Kunstler's book by the same name where he showed that Peak Oil and the end of Infinite Growth on a Finite Planet would lead to economic, financial, political and social collapse and people would be forced to eke out an existence in their own local communities.

Even if the details laid out back in 2005 are not exactly what he said we are seeing this come to fruition in 2020 where ever you look. 

You would have to be a fool to pretend otherwise.

But there is an abundance of fools. Either, you have the Trump people still pretending they can "Make America Great Again" or the liberals who pretend there is absolutely nothing wrong and Trump is the author of all misfortune.

He is NOT!

So, in conclusion, we not only have liberals taking what may have been enlightened policy of 30-40 years ago (depending on your point-of-view) and taking that to a toxic, and illogical conclusion that appears designed to divide society down the middle to fight each other.

Finally, as an illustration I came across the following article: 



California is burning to the ground,  its forests are dying and it is putatively in the midst of a pandemic and they are concerned about junk food??!!

I am concerned about junk food too but, NOW?  Are there not lots more important things to worry about.

Just like a Labour Government in New Zealand that wants to "extend and pretend" in the midst of its own long emergency by increasing sick pay at a time when the nation could be construed as being on the verge of bankruptcy but keeps things going by printing more money and putting it on the account of a future generation.

We live in insane times.

Monday, 16 May 2016

John Key's advice to the Homeless

Just walk into your friendly local WINZ office,says the PM, and get assistance to move from your car or place under a bridge into a home.

Work and Income backs Prime Minister John Key's advice


Ministry of Social Development, who run Work and Income, say help is available to those in need.
Ministry of Social Development, who run Work and Income, say help is available to those in need.

Prime Minister John Key has advised families living in garages or in cars to go and see Work and Income.
The Ministry of Social Development has backed that advice, with a spokesperson saying support is available.
Key's comments come after social housing groups and community workers have called on the government to increase their supply of affordable housing.

A response from Martyn 'Bomber' Bradbury

Key’s delusional advice for the Homeless as infantile as his $3billion tax bribe


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16 May, 2016
John Key’s connection with reality has always been tenuous at best.
A multi-millionaire money trader with a holiday mansion in Hawaii has about as much in common with the average Kiwi as the Prime Minister has with manual labour…
9M2KqSs
the latest advice by Key to the homeless that they just go to WINZ and they’ll be looked after and found a home is so delusional it’s difficult to tell if Key is just taking the piss or not.
WINZ are an abomination that needs to be urgently shut down. As Waatea 5th Estate exposed over the 3 days we followed the AAAP beneficiary clinics held outside WINZ offices, WINZ front line staff are simply there to block, evade and deny any access to money by beneficiaries.
60% of beneficiaries on sole parent and job seeker benefits end up owing WINZ money through over payment mistakes or WINZ complex ‘partner’ equation that uses voodoo math to work out whether or not you are defrauding the system.
Thew paper work top get a benefit runs to over 70 pages, you are expecting the homeless to be able to deal with that for the possibility of getting a pittance which may come back to bite them in the arse later?
Key is just on another bloody planet if he thinks that
a) WINZ are they to help
b) The homeless even trust a Government Department
c) That WINZ will care one inch
It’s the sort of brainfart that keeps the PM on the ball with Muddle Nu Zilind.
Post declaring that he’s fixed the homelessness issue, he’s now going to bribe NZers with a $3billion tax cut to the wealthiest NZers and where will he get that $3b in tax cuts? Why the same place he’s been getting it for all the rich people he’s looked after, he’ll simply borrow the tax cuts.
That’s right.
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When the Right scream that the Left are envious of the rich and Labour is just bribing voters – point out the outrageous hypocrisy of National blowing another $3Billion on tax cuts while the poorest amongst us go hungry, cold and sick.
If you aren’t angry, you are part of the problem





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My friend Stephen have been exchanging serious reflections on the homeless getting help from WINZ to move into a new home

Easy peazy for the homeless to go into WINZ and get a benefit, says Mr Shonkey....

You don't have to live in your car, just go into WINZ and get a benefit after signing 100 forms then tell your all to the case manager....

From living in your car to living in luxury in a non existent, cold damp house in 5 minutes

Just go down to WINZ and walk out with a benefit.....

Into a house,

"What's your address? ‘Under the bridge’ is not an address. You've got to have an address and a bank account "

All this and more in 100 (imposible), easy steps

"Call us if you need help"

Let’s start by ringing WINZ

Finally, anger management therapy is all the rage now



Another real story

Family get Work and Income help - but only after starting a Givealittle page


Rhys and Lara Hogg with their son Hunter Hogg.
WARWRICK SMITH/FAIRFAX NZ Rhys and Lara Hogg with their son Hunter Hogg.

A Palmerston North family resorted to starting a Givealittle page before Work and Income gave them a benefit - and an apology.
Seven weeks ago, Rhys Hogg was forced to stop working after one of his two hernias, where the intestines push through a weak spot or tear in the lower abdominal wall, had become "agonising". 
He has a small hernia in his stomach and a large, palm-sized, hernia in his groin, the latter requiring surgery.
At the recommendation of his doctor, he stopped working and the family's income dropped to that brought in from his wife Lara Hogg's part-time work as a cleaner and shifts as an orderly.
He also has a hobby fly tying business called New Zealand Fishingflies, but it earned very little, he said.
Rhys Hogg has a full-time job as an orderly and said his employers had allowed him to take leave without pay when his annual leave was used up and would keep his position open for him until he recovered from surgery.
Lara Hogg said their finances became stressful after her husband stopped working. She also looks after the couple's son Hunter, 11, who is low-functioning autistic, has limited vocabulary and suspected attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. 
Rhys Hogg said he hated asking for money but the family's financial situation had reached breaking point. 
He contacted Work and Income in April, to apply for a benefit but found his family's situation was in a "grey area".
"We didn't fit into a box on the paperwork."
After about six weeks of contact with Work and Income, filing paperwork and visiting the office, Rhys Hogg said he felt the long process was "frustrating" and "demeaning".  
He started a Givealittle page to help his family, and was contacted shortly after by Work and Income, who apologised and put him on a partial benefit.
"But that's only been because someone pointed them to the Givealittle page. That's it. For six weeks I've butted heads with them and was told 'no, you don't fit into a category'," he said.
While the couple are grateful they finally have extra financial assistance each week, they said the length of time taken, strict policies and lack of understanding of their situation was unacceptable.
"The fact that there's no maneuvering from Work and Income's behalf. They know we have Hunter, they know about his issues. There's no consideration of special circumstances, no offers to do home visits," Lara Hogg said.
People should not have to resort to "publicly begging" to get fair treatment.
"Families with kids with disabilities, particularly in the Manawatu where we are so underfunded - we have to fight every day for every scrap we get for our kids.
"You battle and battle and battle and you go to the one system that's set up to help and you've got to fight again," she said.
Rhys Hogg said their family was fortunate that they had jobs, supportive employers and support from community members through their Givealittle page.
"We've been watching our money since we saw this coming and so we've managed to put a little bit aside to get through, to buy food or maybe pay rent.
"But it can't just be us who have fallen through these gaps."
Ministry of Social Development Regional Commissioner Katie Brosnahan said they had been in regular contact with the family. 
"We understand he is in a tough situation, and we were able to help him out with a food grant and a partial benefit payment back in late April - when we let him know what we require from him to apply for a benefit."
She said as part of any application, information on employment, earnings, relationship status, and essential costs such as accommodation, were required.
"Our assistant service centre manager got in touch with Mr Hogg on May 3 to address issues with our service as soon as we became aware of his Givealittle fundraising page, and to offer an apology.
"We have high standards for our staff and will always follow-up on any concerns people have with the service they've received."
She said they would support him and wished him well as he recovered from surgery.


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I will be the first to admit that this story is not quite as bad as in Britain where patients dying of cancer were told to apply for a job to avoid having their benefit cut off - two weeks later they were (conveniently) dead.


The latest film by Ken Loach, “I Daniel Blake” looks as if it will be worth watching

Wednesday, 12 November 2014

Collapse in the UK

British society continues to break down irrevocably while the surveillance and police state is built. 

Welcome to the and of George Orwell.

1 million elderly Brits malnourished as third of councils cut ‘meals on wheels’ service
A third of all UK councils have scrapped ‘meals on wheels’ services to their elderly and vulnerable residents due government to spending cuts, putting senior citizens at risk of malnutrition and social isolation, research showed.

Reuters / Radu Sigheti

RT,
11 November, 2014

Over half expect further service reductions in the year ahead. A study by the British Association for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition claims more than one million older people in the UK are malnourished.

The total number of meals provided by UK meals on wheels services and lunch clubs has dropped from 40 million to 19 million meals over the past ten years.

Half of all local authorities in the UK expect even further service reductions in the year ahead because social care budgets are being tightened and funding is being slashed, according to the National Association of Care Catering.

The Association says tens of thousands of elderly people living alone rely on the delivery of regular meals for nutrition, social interaction and safety checks.

The NACC National Chair, Neel Radia, said: “The Community Meals Service is a crucial preventative service that enables older people to live in their own homes for longer, whilst maintaining their physical and emotional wellbeing and reducing pressure on the NHS.”

The abolition of community meals services is incredibly short-sighted and cuts a lifeline for many older people who can face social isolation and loneliness,” Radia added.


Dot Gibson, General Secretary of the National Pensioners Convention, says meals on wheels are a cost-effective lifeline for tens of thousands of older people.

But it’s not just about the food,” said Gibson. “It’s about the personal contact, relationships and the wider benefit that the service brings by keeping in touch with people and maintaining their wellbeing.”

Community meals are not a statutory local government requirement, which means they are at risk of being cut as councils try to save money and focus on services they are legally obliged to provide.

Radia urged the government to enshrine community meals in law to guarantee councils protect services for older people.

Last month, research by the Local Government Association showed councils were forced to divert £900 million from other budgets in order to maintain current spending on adult social care services.


Mentally ill children held in prison cells as care facilities cut
Vulnerable British children are finding themselves locked in prisons rather than receiving required medical help, as hospitals and medical centers lack the resources to treat them, new figures show.

Reuters


RT,
10 November, 2014

The data, produced by the Care Quality Commission (CQC), shows counties including Norfolk, Hampshire and Devon have no facilities or places of safety for children under the age of 16.

Other areas of the country were found to have mental health units that were severely underfunded, meaning that fewer than five vulnerable children could be treated.
The data also showed that of the 23,000 incidents involving vulnerable individuals since last year, one in four were sent to prison cells.
More than 200 children were taken into police custody, despite recommendations that the measures should only be used in exceptional circumstances.”


The CQC’s analysis also showed that people were being turned away from treatment and rehabilitation centers because wards were full or short of staff.
The figures come after warnings from the Health Select Committee (HSC) of serious and deeply ingrained problems” with child and adolescent mental health services in the UK. The HSC also said government cuts to mental health services were putting more children at risk.

AFP Photo
AFP Photo

It’s hard to see how a police cell could possibly be considered a more suitable option,” said Sarah Woolaston MP, who chairs the HSC.


As a former police forensic examiner, I would suggest that anyone who believes so has probably never spent time in one; they are frightening places, especially at night.”

Woolaston also said at-risk children being detained by police sent a bad message, especially as they are in a distressed state” already.

However, the government insists it is investing money into mental health programs, and that it had launched a taskforce to drive up standards” in NHS wards.

We've invested £7m in new beds, I've launched a taskforce to improve services, and we are introducing a new waiting time standard to make sure young people with psychosis get prompt treatment,” said Care and Support Minister Norman Lamb.


Campaigners and academics have long criticized of the government’s mental health policies and how effective they are at helping young people.
On Monday, psychologists from the University of Reading said that teenagers with anxiety problems were being treated with a one-size-fits-all” approach to psychological problems, and that treatments given to young children were simply being “adapted” for teenagers.

According to the CQC, one in 10 children between the ages of 5 and 16 suffered some form of mental disorder, with the most common being anxiety, depression or behavioral problems.

Billions still spent on coal & oil subsidies as UK govt misses fossil fuels target – report
The UK is failing to meet its stated target to cut dependence on fossil fuels, despite mounting evidence of man-made climate change, a new report says.


A general view shows the Kellingley Colliery in Knottingley, northern England (Reuters / Andrew Yates)



RT,
11 November, 2014

According to the Overseas Development Institute (ODI), the G20 nations have spent tens of billions of dollars finding fossil fuel sources such as coal and gas, despite recommendations that two thirds of non-renewable energy sources should remain unexploited.

The report also says the UK is providing £750 million a year in tax breaks to North Sea oil and gas.
While UK firms such as Centrica enjoy such generous tax breaks, international firms, including US based Chevron and Norwegian firm Statoil, are also understood to be receiving favorable tax conditions from the British government.

More than £400 million in public money is also going into fossil fuel exploration overseas, particularly in places like Siberia, Brazil and India, the ODI noted.
While the UK government has not commented on the report, it claims that money channeled into exploration firms is not a subsidy. It further argued that the oil and gas industry creates jobs and generates investment in the UK.”

However, the ODI has said that subsidizing energy firms was poor investment of public money” due to the low market price of fossil fuels, as well as their volatility in the global economy.

Reuters / Russell Cheyne
Reuters / Russell Cheyne

The government may argue that if it funds exploration now, it will be paid back later,” ODI director Kevin Watkins told the BBC.


Our argument is that in today's conditions, there is still likely to be a net loss – even when royalties and future tax revenues are taken into account – and that doesn't even take the climate change impact into account.”

The ODI report comes despite warnings from environmental science think tanks, including the Global Sustainability Institute, claiming the UK is close to running out of coal, oil and gas supplies. They estimate the country has less than 10 years’ worth of useable fossil fuel.

Pressure group Oil Change International (OCI), which contributed to the ODI report, called on world governments to end subsidies to energy firms exploring fossil fuels.
Five years ago, G20 governments pledged to phase out fossil fuel subsidies and take action to limit climate change,” said OCI Director Stephen Kretzmann. Progress on those pledges, however, has fallen short of expectations.

On Monday, Senior Naval Officer Rear Admiral Neil Morisetti told MPs the impact of climate change would drive the British Army into more conflicts in the future, as vulnerable nations face a growing risk of warfare over the Earth’s limited natural reяources.

Reuters / David Moir

Meanwhile the response of the State to the spectre of uprupt climate change is to prepare the military for yet more wars

Wednesday, 3 September 2014

The Ashburton Work and Income shooting

I am not really one for crime stories but this is a really ugly situation that lays bare the results of government policies over 30 years that have impoverished and alienated large numbers of people.

Perhaps the timing was wrong and so it seems insensitive but it is true what long-time campaigner for the unemployed and ex-Green Party MP, Sue Bradford said”

'the Government's "brutal policies" led to today's attack on Ashburton Work and Income staff'.


6 years of a brutal government and a crime like this and further threats of violence of this sort become inevitable.




Having just heard news of further polls whereby neither Labour nor the Greens have made much progress I am more convinced than ever that despite their crimes this government is going to be returned to power by a gullible population.

They have turned the population against the Left which, although not correct, are still rational. Truth doesn't come into it.They've done their job.


We are indeed sleepwalking towards fascism.
---SMR

Increased threats to Work & Income offices
Extra security guards are being ordered in and the police are clamping down after a rash of threats against Work and Income since the Ashburton triple shooting


3 August, 2014

The offices have received at least 17 serious threats since the shooting and seven arrests have been made and police are warning they'll come down hard on silly outbursts at the offices, like they do against bomb jokes at airports.

Deputy police Commissioner Viv Rickard said they have had to deal with threats from throughout the country.

"Anybody in that sort of work environment would feel vulnerable so we've asked that these threats be clearly given to us so that we can act on them."

He said that a number of the threats made reference to the incident in Ashburton.
"Some of them we've dealt with them we've found out are stupid, there's been some silly and stupid comments made, inappropriate comments."

But he said that police take all threats seriously.

"At the same time there's been people saying they'd blow people away."


The Work and Income office in Rotorua was the latest to close as a result of a threat. A call was received at the office about 11.30am and the police were alerted.

Senior Sergeant Chris Money of the Northern Police Communications Centre said the police were investigating the source of the threat.

He said the office was closed this afternoon following the incident.

Ministry of Social Development (MSD) announced it would post 100 extra security guards at Work and Income offices nationwide, following the Ashburton shootings and ongoing threats.

MSD chief executive Brendan Boyle made the announcement a joint press conference with police in Wellington.

Ashburton


said as well as the extra 100 security guards, police would also have a presence at Christchurch offices.

The incidents at Work and Income offices have come since the Ashburton shooting on Monday, which claimed the lives of Peggy Noble and Leigh Cleveland. A third woman, Lindy Curtis, was seriously injured and remains in Christchurch Hospital.

Earlier today, all Canterbury Work and Income offices were closed after a threat was made against staff, this time at a branch in Christchurch.

A ministry spokesperson earlier could not say what time the threatening phone call was made but said it came through one of their contact centres.

A police officer guards the cordon in central Ashburton.Apolice officer guards the cordon in central Ashburton.  Photo: RNZ / Alexander Robertson

All Work and Income offices had been due to be open today, excluding Ashburton due to the ongoing police investigation into the fatal shooting of two women and injuring of a third, on Monday, and Kaiapoi, which is closed for staffing reasons.

Today's threats follow the arrest of a 38-year-old man in Marlborough yesterday after he allegedly made a threatening phone call to Work and Income's Blenheim office.

On Monday, a 38-year-old man was arrested after police were called to the Hastings Work and Income office after reports a man armed with a knife was threatening an employee.

WATCH video from above Ashburton, showing the scene of the shootings




A Public Service Association spokesperson said the continuing threats against Work and Income staff were a disgrace and must end.

It said all workers should expect to be able to do their jobs without putting themselves at risk, and it urged the police to act swiftly.


Two shot dead at Work and Income office in Ashburton, New Zealand
Extra security guards are being ordered in and the police are clamping down after a rash of threats against Work and Income since the Ashburton triple shooting


1 August, 2014


POLICE dogs have tracked down and bitten a gunman during a massive manhunt in a small New Zealand village, after he shot dead two people and injured a thirdperson in a shooting rampage at an unemployment office.

Homeless man Russell Tully, known as John, 48, was found on a property near Lake Hood, The New Zealand Herald reports.

Tully was found by a police dog unit according to Canterbury District Commander Superintendent Gary Knowles, who said no shots were fired and no officers were injured upon his arrest.

Tully was tracked for some distance by dogs, and police are still trying to located his weapon.

We’re still searching for his weapon,” Knowles said.

He was arrested and taken into custody at Ashburton police station. No charges been laid yet.

Mr Knowles said Tully would be medically examined before being formally interviewed and charged.

Farmers were home when he was found by police.

Tully, who was wearing a black balaclava entered the Work and Income office (WINZ) in the South Island town of Ashburton just after 10am and started firing a gun.

He was seen leaving on a bicycle afterwards and is still on the loose.

New Zealand Ministry of Social Development chief executive Brendan Boyle this afternoon confirmed the victims were staff members. A third staff member is in a critical condition in Christchurch hospital.

The New Zealand Defence Force also assisted in the hunt.
The NZDF is providing helicopter transport support to NZ Police involved in the Ashburton shooting incident,” a spokesman said.


John Tully is a person of interest sought by Police following the Ashburton shooting. Do not approach him. Call 111.pic.twitter.com/ZYvC2m55KF
New Zealand Police (@nzpolice) September 1, 2014

Earlier, heavily-armed police raided a Housing NZ house in the town but the house was empty.

Police let off a smoke grenade at the rear of the house and smashed the door but came out saying the house was “all clear”.

It is believed Tully “may have been in the possession of a sawn-off shotgun”, police said.

Only last month Tully appeared in a series of articles published by the Ashburton Guardian newspaper highlighting his struggles with homelessness. In the series he reveals he had returned to Ashburton following a career in the Australian mines. He said he had “come home to die” from a mystery skin disease which caused boil-type lumps if untreated and tightened the joints causing limited movement. The stories have been republished in full.


Sightings of Tully should be reported immediately to Police. Next media conference at 5pm, Ashburton Police Station.pic.twitter.com/BgXMGOQGyZ
New Zealand Police (@nzpolice) September 1, 2014


Lawmaker Winston Peters said in a statement that Tully had emailed his political party on August 14 about the difficulty of finding a house to live in.

We replied immediately and also followed up,” Peters said.

However, the emails kept bouncing back.”

ONE News reporter Donna-Marie Lever says she has been told by residents that the man is a local and that he “did have an axe to grind with the WINZ and had been trespassed from the office in the past.”

Police confirmed Tully had been issued a trespass notice to stay away from the Ashburton Work and Income office after exhibiting “intimidating behaviour” in another incident.


Lever said she understands the man was very calm when he entered the office, but that there was a lot of screaming after the shooting and that he was yelling as he fled the scene.
A witness who was in the building at the time said the gunman shot two women, one of whom was interviewing him at the time.


It was incredibly loud, I could feel the air whoosh past my head,” the witness said.
View image on Twitter
: Armed police search properties in , for the gunman who killed 2 people and injured another.
He followed the man outside.

He must have broken the gun down because he put it in his back pack,” he said.
One witness, who didn’t want to be named, said he saw a staff member from Work and Income run from the shop after the shooter yelling “You bastard, you’ve blown her to bits”, The New Zealand Herald reported.


A postie at a business across the road heard the man screaming and swearing as he left the building.


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The Ministry of Social Development Chief Executive Brendan Boyle said all their offices in Ashburton, Timaru and Christchurch would be closed until further notice.
Mr Boyle said in a statement: “We are all shocked by the news of this morning’s incident at the Ashburton Work and Income office.

The Police are handling this serious situation. What I can say is that we will be there for our colleagues to support them as they come to terms with what has happened.

Until we know more, we have closed all Ministry of Social Development offices in Ashburton, Timaru and Christchurch.”